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re: Bama's 2011 Defense. GOAT?
Posted on 6/1/14 at 11:50 pm to JuiceTerry
Posted on 6/1/14 at 11:50 pm to JuiceTerry
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Either them or 92 Bama.
Nope. That 92 defense was more opportunistic, with turnovers and sacks and what not.
But 2011 was better overall. Miami put up a lot of yards on that '92 D.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 12:20 am to Grievous Angel
Wasn't 2011 Alabama the first defense to lead college football in every single one of the 5 major defensive stats since Oklahoma in the early 70's?
Points allowed per game
Passing yard allowed per game
Rushing yards allowed per game
Total yards allowed per game
First downs allowed per game
etc.
Basically every single metric you can measure defense on they were #1 and that was the first time that had happened in 40 years.
Points allowed per game
Passing yard allowed per game
Rushing yards allowed per game
Total yards allowed per game
First downs allowed per game
etc.
Basically every single metric you can measure defense on they were #1 and that was the first time that had happened in 40 years.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 12:22 am to AlaTiger
2001 Miami would like a word...as would 1995 Nebraska.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 12:27 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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2001 Miami would like a word...as would 1995 Nebraska.
Alabama was statistically better than both. The only stat 2001 Miami comes close to 2011 Alabama on is points per game. Miami allowed 9.4 points per game. Alabama allowed 8.8 points per game.
The 2011 Alabama defense was a statistical anomaly. Yeah, you can talk about the weakness of schedule until the cows come home, but any defense allowing that few of yardage, points, and first downs in this day and age should be considered legendary IMO.
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 12:29 am
Posted on 6/2/14 at 5:10 am to RollTide1987
2011 Bama is certainly in the mix for GOAT, but one thing that allowed them to put up such great stats was the fact that they faced fewer overall plays than other top defenses that year. That's partially causing three-and-outs, but also a posession based offense that runs the clock. I've learned over the years with GT's triple option to look at yards per play instead of total yards to gauge how good a defense is. Total yards will always make a team like Bama look better than it actually is and a team like Oregon look worse.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 6:11 am to AlaTiger
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@ Florida: 222 total yards, 9 first downs, all 10 points came on first two drives
Brantley played well that game until he got hurt
Posted on 6/2/14 at 6:13 am to AlaTiger
2011 BAMA is the best defense Ive ever seen. Our LBs were animals.
2011 LSU was nasty too... the number of NFL draft picks on the field when BAMA played LSU that year was ridiculous.
2011 LSU was nasty too... the number of NFL draft picks on the field when BAMA played LSU that year was ridiculous.
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 6:15 am
Posted on 6/2/14 at 6:15 am to BAMAisDIESEL09
Yeah, Hightower/Mosley/Upshaw/Johnson were all beast. That D was loaded
Posted on 6/2/14 at 6:15 am to BAMAisDIESEL09
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2011 BAMA is the best defense Ive ever seen. Our LBs were animals.
2011 LSU was nasty too... we just happened to get the best of them on 1/9.
quote:Post of the year. Most talent on one field in college football history. And we got to see it twice!
the number of NFL draft picks on the field when BAMA played LSU that year was ridiculous.
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 6:22 am
Posted on 6/2/14 at 6:28 am to abellsujr
Both defenses where great in 2011, it was a presure to watch. Suppose me watching every second of that Bama defense skews my option some. Since I haven't done the same for every great D over the years, but that Bama 2011 D is the best D I've witness over 30+ yrs of watching CFB. Never thought I'd seen a Bama D as good as Bama's 1992 D, but I did in 2011.....
That 2011 Bama D got real upset when they gave up normal 1st downs, alone scores.....
That 2011 Bama D got real upset when they gave up normal 1st downs, alone scores.....
Posted on 6/2/14 at 6:32 am to SquirrelyBama
I can't disagree with that. I think LSUs 2011 defense was #2 that year and #2 in history. IMO.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 7:22 am to abellsujr
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I can't disagree with that. I think LSUs 2011 defense was #2 that year and #2 in history.
No. This GOAT discussion has gotten out of hand. It is way too biased with the recent past and lacks perspective in many ways.
As mentioned, bama's 2011 schedule is simply too weak to call that D the GOAT.
Second, people are just remembering them because it was recent. I already mentioned the first AU team that popped into my head for historically great defense. I googled a few things and even found an article from a year ago that said they may have been the GOAT in the SEC.
Reasons:
That Au defense gave up less than 200 ypg and 7.7 points per game. Both better than Bama in 2011. No running back rushed for 100 yards against AU from 1986-1989. They gave up 57 yards rushing per game. Only 1 team all year scored more than 10 points against that AU defense. That one team was a shitty NC team that AU led by 40 points and was shutting out until the scout team played the second half and allowed NC to become the only team the entire season to get in the endzone more than once against AU.
They led the nation in total and scoring D by a significant margin.
They played the best offense in the country in the Sugar Bowl, FSU. FSU average 400+ yards per game, with 4 500+ yard games. In their 5 games before facing AU they scored 45, 66, 59, 41, and 52 points. Against AU they scored 1 TD and managed to kick two field goals thanks to AU turnovers on their on side of the field in the first half, then were shut out the rest of the game.
Oh, after the earthquake game where LSU did not cross midfield the entire game until the final drive with 3 4th down conversions, that AU D was not scored upon again for an entire month. In fact over the final two months of the season following the LSU game, AU gave up a total of 3 tds and two field goals (6 games).
That is just one example of a great AU D. Like I said, this GOAT discussion is way too biased on the recent past.
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 7:39 am
Posted on 6/2/14 at 8:07 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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That Au defense gave up less than 200 ypg and 7.7 points per game. Both better than Bama in 2011.
Going by that logic, the 1966 Alabama team is better than both. They gave up 4 points per game, and had 6 shutouts. Heck, Vince Lombardi himself stated Alabama was the best team in the country.
That said, there are plenty of people who feel that 2011 isn't even the best defense in Alabama history - that title, to some, goes to the 1961 defense. Not only did they only give up 2.3 points per game, but they never gave up more than a single score in any game. A defense led by the great Lee Roy Jordan.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 8:28 am to AlaTiger
I am only 31... but I don't recall seeing a defense that good in my time watching sports.
I guess Miami 01 was as good talent wise but did they accomplish on the field like Bama 11?
I guess Miami 01 was as good talent wise but did they accomplish on the field like Bama 11?
Posted on 6/2/14 at 8:32 am to skrayper
1966 is too far back really. The late 80's isn't as you had teams averaging 30 and 40 points a game. Hell, some teams averaged 50+ a game by the late 80's.
At the end of 1988, AU played Florida, UGA, Bama, and FSU who were averaging 30, 32, 28 and 41 points coming into the AU game respectively. 3 of the 4 were ranked. That is an average of 33 points per game of those 4 teams coming into the AU game yet they scored a combined average of 8 vs AU, with none getting into the endzone more than once.
At the end of 1988, AU played Florida, UGA, Bama, and FSU who were averaging 30, 32, 28 and 41 points coming into the AU game respectively. 3 of the 4 were ranked. That is an average of 33 points per game of those 4 teams coming into the AU game yet they scored a combined average of 8 vs AU, with none getting into the endzone more than once.
This post was edited on 6/2/14 at 8:41 am
Posted on 6/2/14 at 8:53 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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1966 is too far back really. The late 80's isn't as you had teams averaging 30 and 40 points a game. Hell, some teams averaged 50+ a game by the late 80's.
At the end of 1988, AU played Florida, UGA, Bama, and FSU who were averaging 30, 32, 28 and 41 points coming into the AU game respectively. 3 of the 4 were ranked. That is an average of 33 points per game of those 4 teams coming into the AU game yet they scored a combined average of 8 vs AU, with none getting into the endzone more than once.
I'm glad you picked an arbitrary time frame to fit your argument.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 8:54 am to BamaDoc14
And I backed it up too lil feller.
Maybe if you knew more about college football you would understand the point better.
Maybe if you knew more about college football you would understand the point better.
Posted on 6/2/14 at 9:04 am to CGSC Lobotomy
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2001 Miami would like a word...as would 1995 Nebraska.
Nebraska gave up 14 or more 7 times that year. Miami gave up 14 or more 4 times. Bama did it twice. Neither if those defenses were close in terms of discipline, execution, and sheer suffocation. That Bama D played like it was a sin to give up a yard, and it pissed them off when they did. Talent wise, we won't really know until 15 years down the road, but that bama D had more first rounders than both of these too. That's the closest thing you're going to see for a long time to an NFL defense.
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