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re: Bama's 2011 Defense. GOAT?
Posted on 6/1/14 at 9:31 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
Posted on 6/1/14 at 9:31 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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It is just impossible to really stake a claim to them being goat because the schedule was too weak to give them a chance to prove it.
They proved it against an LSU team that was averaging nearly 40 points per game on 1/9. 92 total yards, only 5 first downs, 0 points.
This post was edited on 6/1/14 at 9:32 pm
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Posted on 6/1/14 at 9:32 pm to RollTide1987
Also, as the OP stated, there were a ton of draft picks on that D.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 9:36 pm to asphinctersayswhat
Yeah, you can't go back and use different eras to make statistical comparisons. You have several teams that allowed like 3-4 tds all year back then.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 9:38 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
As far as the modern era is concerned (1980s to the present day) I think the '11 defense is definitely in the Top 5 and have a great argument for being #1 overall.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 9:39 pm to RollTide1987
They did but a lot of that was lsu's own fault as well. Worst game plan I have ever seen in a big sec game before. Jefferson was terrible and lsu kept trying that option when everyone knew bamawould be prepared for it the second time.
Again, I'm not saying I don't think they werent great. But you can't hang your hat on a single game just because they didn't play any other good teams that year. You could just as easily say they were a terrible D because Georgia state ran all over them using a 1 game sample size.
Again, I'm not saying I don't think they werent great. But you can't hang your hat on a single game just because they didn't play any other good teams that year. You could just as easily say they were a terrible D because Georgia state ran all over them using a 1 game sample size.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 9:42 pm to RollTide1987
Well, I personally think they are top 5 as well, but think they do not have a legit claim to #1 at all due to the schedule.
They might have been the best, but imo there is no way to know because they could not prove it.
They might have been the best, but imo there is no way to know because they could not prove it.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 9:43 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Again, I'm not saying I don't think they werent great. But you can't hang your hat on a single game just because they didn't play any other good teams that year.
They held an Arkansas team which finished in the Top 5 that year to 226 yards. LSU wasn't the only good team they faced.
I don't care how shitty your schedule is, how often does a defense hold seven teams on their schedule to below 200 yards of offense?
Posted on 6/1/14 at 9:44 pm to AlaTiger
No to name a few....
Washington 1991
Miami 1986
Miami 1987
Washington 1991
Miami 1986
Miami 1987
Posted on 6/1/14 at 9:46 pm to AlaTiger
LSU had a better defense in 2011
Posted on 6/1/14 at 9:47 pm to RollTide1987
Really don't know. Go back and look at the '88 AU defense. I could not tell you about yardage off the top of my head, but I think only 1 team managed more than 10 points against them the entire season and that was all in garbage time against nonstarters I believe. That team had 4-5 shutouts with zero points given up in a row.
Again, no clue about yarddage, but I would guess it's similar.
Again, no clue about yarddage, but I would guess it's similar.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 9:49 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Again, no clue about yarddage, but I would guess it's similar.
It probably is. But you have to go all the way back to 1988, a time before the passing game was introduced to the SEC, to find one.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 9:53 pm to RollTide1987
True. I did look up the summary stats btw. They gave up 57 rushing and 140 passing per game. So just under 200 yards.
Anyway, '11 bama is in the discussion of best ever for sure.
Anyway, '11 bama is in the discussion of best ever for sure.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 9:55 pm to JuiceTerry
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Either them or 92 Bama.
92 Bama was a different type of great.
92 Bama gave up more yardage and first downs, but made more explosive plays, like sacks and strips and ballhawking type plays.
This post was edited on 6/1/14 at 9:56 pm
Posted on 6/1/14 at 9:55 pm to RollTide1987
I think the most impressive thing about the 11 D is that they only gave up 10 first downs a game. If they had played G State like they had everyone else, that stat would've been in the single digits.
I know you can't be selective about the stats. I just look at that game as an anomaly.
I know you can't be selective about the stats. I just look at that game as an anomaly.
This post was edited on 6/1/14 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 6/1/14 at 10:12 pm to AlaTiger
impressive numbers sure.
but how good were those offenses that they faced that year?
LSU was a great team that year but they had a badass defense and quality special teams play that really masked their offense.
Auburn sure as shite wasn't doing anything that year.
and that was usually the teams that were/still are the main challengers to the West each year.
if somebody already posted all the offensive numbers for those other offenses, my bad.
just stopping by for a bit.
but how good were those offenses that they faced that year?
LSU was a great team that year but they had a badass defense and quality special teams play that really masked their offense.
Auburn sure as shite wasn't doing anything that year.
and that was usually the teams that were/still are the main challengers to the West each year.
if somebody already posted all the offensive numbers for those other offenses, my bad.
just stopping by for a bit.
This post was edited on 6/1/14 at 10:16 pm
Posted on 6/1/14 at 10:30 pm to NGATiger
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If this happens, I never want to hear another Bammer jab about LSU or Auburn having criminals again.
Why would we want to?
Just because the kid posted a pic of Alabama on his twitter feed?
Posted on 6/1/14 at 10:31 pm to AlaTiger
Yes. LSU 2011 defense #2 GOAT.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 10:35 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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They are certainly in the discussion. The one thing that keeps them from being a stronger contender in the discussion is the schedule though. Possibly the weakest schedule an sec west team has played in a decade. I mean they only played one good team all year really.
Then quit sucking every other year.
Posted on 6/1/14 at 10:44 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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The '92 team also played a very weak schedule.
They played 5 teams that went to bowl games. The SEC went 5-1 that year in bowl games, with MSU losing by 4 the only loss.
We beat 5 teams that finished the season ranked (Ole Miss, 9 wins; Tennessee, 9 wins; Florida, 9 wins; Mississippi State, 7 wins; of course, Miami - 11 wins.)
I'm not saying it's the toughest schedule of all time, but I certainly wouldn't classify it as "weak".
Posted on 6/1/14 at 10:56 pm to CountryVolFan
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LSU had a better defense in 2011
That case can be made, although not statistically. LSU played a murderous schedule that year and played several high powered offenses (Oregon, WVA, Arkansas). LSU's defense also had a ton of playmakers led by Mathieu.
Even in the BCS debacle, LSU's defense held Alabama without a TD until mid way through the 4th quarter when they finally broke. It was sad to watch.
Alabama's defense was amazing, hence the thread. But, they do not get all of the credit for the BCS game. You also have to give Jordan Jefferson and the LSU offensive game plan credit for being horrible.
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