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re: Bama fans, are you worried about LF?
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:47 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:47 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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But the reward makes the risk worth it. Lose to Bama, and O doesn't get the job. Win, and he's in. This will be no time to play it safe.
Yea, but honestly I think that with that defense you can play safe offensively and expect to get it to the 4th. Now, by safe, I don't mean run into the line 3 times in a row and punt. I mean making safe throws, taking calculated shots downfield, etc.
I just don't think the odds of Danny Etling sitting in the pocket and tricking us with an assortment of 1st down throws across the middle to set up LF7 is going to be a winning philosophy. But who knows, right?
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Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:47 pm to 14&Counting
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Meh....a close loss and a respectable effort would be nothing to be ashamed of...LSU shouldn't make their coaching decision based on the fact that they took a loss to Bama.
Not to mention shrinking the game down to the 4th quarter basically means 2-3 drives for each team, and at that point the risks are totally worth it.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:48 pm to Tigerbait8
he put up 30 yards against them last year. I'm sure they are shitting all over themselves
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:49 pm to Triple Daves
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I feel like if LSU has confidence that they are pound for pound Alabama's equal (which I think they do feel like), then they will play straight up for 3 quarters and try to get it to the 4th.
That worked on 11/9, but it hasn't worked since.
That's the whole problem.
I think this is the new outlook:
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It's no secret Miles' undoing was an unimaginative offense and his unwillingness to adapt. Against Missouri, LSU came out in four wide receivers on its first offensive series under new offensive coordinator Steve Ensminger and showed several new wrinkles and formations along the way before ultimately pounding Missouri with the running game.
"The only thing I told Steve was not to come out in the I-formation on that first series," Orgeron said with one of his vintage baritone laughs.
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Git after 'em from the git go. [RIP, Hokie]
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:52 pm to 14&Counting
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LSU shouldn't make their coaching decision based on the fact that they took a loss to Bama.
Maybe not, but they will certainly make their coaching decision based on the fact that they beat Bama. So he may get the job with a loss, but he will almost certainly get the job with a win.
Like it or not, playing the #1 team at night in Tiger Stadium is a big deal to LSU people.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:54 pm to Triple Daves
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Not to mention shrinking the game down to the 4th quarter basically means 2-3 drives for each team, and at that point the risks are totally worth it.
I think your analysis is spot on from LSU perspective....just keep it close and get to the 4th quarter, crowd is in the game, and then pull out the stops....don't give up three and outs, don't give Bama short fields, don't turn it over...If LSU can do that then they have a shot. If they get too cute, too aggressive, too early it will more than likely backfire and then they have scramble to get back in the game thus digging themselves further in the hole and dancing to Saban and Pruitts tune.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:54 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Against Missouri, LSU came out in four wide receivers on its first offensive series under new offensive coordinator Steve Ensminger and showed several new wrinkles and formations along the way before ultimately pounding Missouri with the running game.
Yea - and I'd be excited about that too as an LSU fan. The only problem is, unlike basically everyone else LSU plays, Alabama doesn't deviate from their normal sets against LSU's run game. Alabama doesn't drag safeties down to compensate for not being able to defend it in normal sets, therefore coming out in Shotgun/4 wide doesn't really change a whole lot, because Alabama isn't going to be changing their defense (except to go Dime in pass only downs).
So, again, I think all the formation tricks and wrinkles are effective and will help a little bit, but it really all goes back to whether Alabama has to bring a dude down to stop the run or not. If they don't, they won't really care how LSU lines up because we won't be changing personnel packages. Because last year wasn't all about Alabama loading up and LSU not adjusting, it was about Alabama's front overwhelming LSU's O-line.
This post was edited on 11/2/16 at 2:56 pm
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:58 pm to 14&Counting
Yeah, of course Bama is concerned about Fournette. He is LSUs only hope. Take him out of the equation Saturday and this game is a definite blowout. Scared? No. Beating teams built like LSU is what Bama does best.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:03 pm to Triple Daves
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Because last year wasn't all about Alabama loading up and LSU not adjusting, it was about Alabama's front overwhelming LSU's O-line.
This is the key to the game not Fournette. I have been saying this all along. Can LSU's OL hold up against our Front 7 and protect this QB who seems pretty shaky. Can they do a better job at run blocking to spring LF7 and/or Guice?
This post was edited on 11/2/16 at 3:04 pm
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:05 pm to 14&Counting
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This is the key to the game not Fournette. I have been saying this all along. Can LSU's OL hold up against our Front 7 and protect this QB who seems pretty shaky. Can they do a better job at run blocking to spring LF7 and/or Guice?
It's seriously all that matters. If they can't block our front 4 they won't win the game. If they can hold their own they have a chance to win the game.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:14 pm to Triple Daves
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It's seriously all that matters. If they can't block our front 4 they won't win the game. If they can hold their own they have a chance to win the game.
It's why Fournette couldn't do shite last year. He couldn't get back to the line of scrimmage because our guys were in his backfield all night long.
Can LSU's OL do a better job?
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:17 pm to 14&Counting
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What is Ogeron going to do that you think we can't game plan for? What is he going to throw at us that hasn't been thrown at us before?
It's not about what has been thrown at you before. Game planning is about looking at piles of film trying to figure out what teams have a tendency to do and planning to defend it. Teams usually save a few tricks for desperate late game situations too. Bama has 3 games of film on Orgeron and Ensminger who haven't had to pull any tricks out of the bag since the coaching change. I've seen former Dolphins HC Tony Sparano, pull the Wildcat out of his arse and Belichik had no idea how to make in-game adjustments to stop it.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:19 pm to Triple Daves
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Alabama doesn't deviate from their normal sets against LSU's run game. Alabama doesn't drag safeties down to compensate for not being able to defend it in normal sets
Actually Jackson was creeping up to the line on just about every running play last year (which were obvious). His backup probably won't be able to get away with that.
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Out of the corner of LSU center Ethan Pocic’s eye, as he hunkered over the ball, he could see Alabama safety Eddie Jackson moving closer and closer.
At first glance, Jackson was more than 12 yards away from the ball.
At second glance, Jackson was inside of 10 yards.
Pocic stole a third glance just before snapping the ball, and — bam — there was Jackson, about 7 to 8 yards away and in prime position to stuff LSU’s bread and butter: a handoff or toss to running back Leonard Fournette.
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it was about Alabama's front overwhelming LSU's O-line.
Most teams throw quick outs/slants and screens to slow down a rush. Last year LSU was unable to do that. This year may be different.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:21 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Most teams throw quick outs/slants and screens to slow down a rush. Last year LSU was unable to do that. This year may be different.
Well, I was talking more of just run rush, not necessarily the pass rush.
Either way, it's a different dynamic this year. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:22 pm to Triple Daves
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I just don't think the odds of Danny Etling sitting in the pocket and tricking us with an assortment of 1st down throws across the middle to set up LF7 is going to be a winning philosophy. But who knows, right?
I think he'll be better at holding off the Bama rush with quick passes.
The thing is, Saban will be looking for that as well, and could set Etling up for an int in the flat for a score.
Ultimately I think LSU fans are excited if only because they don't know what to expect from the offense for the first time in years.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:23 pm to Triple Daves
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Either way, it's a different dynamic this year. Will be interesting to see how it plays out.
Indeed.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:23 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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Ultimately I think LSU fans are excited if only because they don't know what to expect from the offense for the first time in years.
Yea - like I said before - I understand the excitement. Etling looks like a levelheaded QB who understands his role and knows how to execute it. LSU seems to at least be attempting to take advantage of it's athletes on the edges in addition to running hard between the tackles. I'd be happy too.
This post was edited on 11/2/16 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:24 pm to Triple Daves
Good discussion - should be a fun one. Always is.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 3:45 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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think he'll be better at holding off the Bama rush with quick passes.
Yeah I Don't think he can do it consistently enough throughout the entire game without a mistake that leads to an easy score for Bama.
I bet yall are excited to see what can happen with new coaching. Like you've said yall are really playing with house money ,only due to Les being gone and most thought the season was done. Win this game and then see if they can handle the pressure
Posted on 11/2/16 at 4:40 pm to spacewrangler
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I Don't think he can do it consistently enough throughout the entire game without a mistake that leads to an easy score for Bama.
That's definitely the concern there.
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Like you've said yall are really playing with house money ,only due to Les being gone and most thought the season was done.
I think a lot of fans were already excited to have Dave Aranda coaching D for us this year. Swapping out the HC and OC just turns up the intensity to warp factor 11.
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