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re: Bama fans, are you worried about LF?
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:11 pm to 14&Counting
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:11 pm to 14&Counting
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What is Ogeron going to do that you think we can't game plan for? What is he going to throw at us that hasn't been thrown at us before?
Yea, I don't quite understand this. They are throwing more on early downs. I mean, I agree that is a solid philosophical tweak, but it isn't like they are running wild formations wild pitches and reverses and some new fangled system.
They are running slants/stops/goes, every pass is off of at least a ghost play action move by the QB.............now it may be less predictable, but it isn't like we are coming out against some new scheme.
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Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:12 pm to Tiger79
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PowHound don't be a Gump retard!!
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Henry look like the 5th best back in the nation last year.
Sigh
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:13 pm to Tigerbait8
BTW Bama fans are not worried about LF. If our coaches are smart they put Guice and LF7 in at the same time and throw to the backs a lot. We can hurt Bama by throwing to the backs out of shotgun. Not by pounding LF7 out of I formation Bama's front 7 is too good.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:14 pm to 14&Counting
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What is Ogeron going to do that you think we can't game plan for? What is he going to throw at us that hasn't been thrown at us before?
That's the whole point, Saban has to be thinking the same thing for the first time in 6 years.
There isn't enough film to know.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:15 pm to Triple Daves
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They are running slants/stops/goes, every pass is off of at least a ghost play action move by the QB.............now it may be less predictable, but it isn't like we are coming out against some new scheme.
I know right? In reference to your other post, I haven't seen much discussion on LSU's o-line. They were mauled last year. I just don't see them winning the battle against our front seven. This will cause a lot of problems for Etling
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:16 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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That's the whole point, Saban has to be thinking the same thing for the first time in 6 years. There isn't enough film to know.
Did O install an entirely new offense during the 5 day bye week? If not, they are running the same sets/formations/plays, just in different situations.
I think Nick Saban will be able to gameplan for that. Will it work? Who knows, but I don't expect for us to show up nervous about LSU running 40 new secret plays out of wild formations.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:17 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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There isn't enough film to know.
There is plenty of film to review. You still have the same personnel, the same OC, and the same basic offensive philosophy. Bama is intimately familiar with LSU.
Maybe O throws in some wrinkles but honestly how much different can you change it in two weeks?
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:22 pm to 14&Counting
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Maybe O throws in some wrinkles but honestly how much different can you change it in two weeks?
2 great running backs, a run-centric offensive line, league average QB.
Like, LSU is going to run 1 back and 3 WR shotgun stuff. They are going to play action on most throws. They are going to run the same run plays with the same blocking schemes for LF7 and Guice they've run all season.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:23 pm to lsuson
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Wrong on DC and talent. LSU is jut as talented. Quit being a homer
He's not being a homer by stating Bama is more talented than L5u. That's a fact and if you asked any non l5u fan the agree that Bama is more talented.
On the DC, well Saban and Pruitt have a longer established history of producing Elite defenses. Aranda, not as much.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:27 pm to Triple Daves
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LSU running 40 new secret plays out of wild formations.
Jesus, you just loving throwing the hyperbole card.
LSU is one of the few teams that can match the talent of Alabama. They don't need tricks. I'm not talking about wild new formations, I'm talking about tendencies.
What are LSU's tendencies for each formation these days? What are the tells? Where are the weaknesses?
Speaking of formations, did you happen to see LSU's bowl game against TTech last year? There were quite a few spread formations that LSU ran out of that we hadn't really seen before or since - until Ensminger took over. The plays have always been there, it's just the HC didn't really call for them much.
It's all there, just like everyone else, it's just for LSU they've changed in the last 3 weeks. Miles' predictability is gone, but the same talented players are there. There has not been so much change that the players are confused, but just enough to change the tendencies and predictability.
You won't be able to predict the play just based on the personnel on the field like you used to.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:30 pm to Triple Daves
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Like, LSU is going to run 1 back and 3 WR shotgun stuff.
Maybe they try it but it won't go well. I will take our guys man-to man cause Etling is going to be scrambling for his life if they do. Alabama is not the team you want to try to experiment on because you will get behind the chains double quick and then very predictable.
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2 great running backs
Again, O is going to have to play the cards he is dealt and play to the strengths he has because that is what Les had in place.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:31 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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LSU is one of the few teams that can match the talent of Alabama. They don't need tricks
Agreed
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I'm talking about tendencies.
Sure - like I said - LSU has definitely opened things up. They are clearly less "predictable", but there is still a point where you play to your strengths, even while trying to keep the opponent off guard. I don't think it's that wild a shift that we are going to change much in terms of prep work. I also think LSU knows that they aren't going to win this game on the back of Danny Etling throwing slants on 1st down, and he isn't going to have time to hang back and throw the ball 25 yards downfield unless he is max protected. So, I wouldn't be surprised to see the LSU gameplan (while still a bit more diverse) look a lot like the LSU gameplans of past years vs Alabama.
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Speaking of formations, did you happen to see LSU's bowl game against TTech last year? There were quite a few spread formations that LSU ran out of that we hadn't really seen before or since - until Ensminger took over. The plays have always been there, it's just the HC didn't really call for them much.
Oh yea - I mean Cameron had that stuff in the playbook when Mett was a round. I remember LSU running tons of 4 wide, 1 back stuff. Then, at times, he did it with Harris, but it felt like at some point he quit trusting Harris with much beyond hand offs and play action deep throws.
This post was edited on 11/2/16 at 2:33 pm
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:33 pm to 14&Counting
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You still have the same personnel, the same OC, and the same basic offensive philosophy.
No.
We got the Passing Game Coordinator from Smith's Station High School for our OC now!
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how much different can you change it in two weeks?
I don't know, but LSU has broken a offense team record, some dating back to the 60s, for each of the last three weeks.
And before you cry about, "But Mizzou! Southern Miss! Ole Miss!" LSU has been playing bad teams for a long time, and still are setting offensive records.
So to answer your question, we'll find out. Orgeron has nothing to lose, and everything to gain in this game, I suspect he'll pull out all the stops.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:36 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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I suspect he'll pull out all the stops.
Maybe, but honestly I kind of think he'll play it straight up and get it to the 2nd half where he pulls out some big play chances.
Running a bunch of non-conservative stuff with that pass line and that QB has a flipside to it. He could pull out all the stops and Danny Etling could easily throw a pick six and have a few 3 and outs from blown up reverses and 3rd and longs and all of a sudden you have given Alabama's offense short fields. And with that defense, I think you can easily trust them to keep you in the ballgame if you don't give away points.
So, while it might seem like pulling out all the stops is the best option, I kind of feel like the risk in that is kind of high. Who knows.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:38 pm to Triple Daves
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Cameron had that stuff in the playbook when Mett was a round. I remember LSU running tons of 4 wide, 1 back stuff. Then, at times, he did it with Harris, but it felt like at some point he quit trusting Harris with much beyond hand offs and play action deep throws.
Exactly, the plays are there, it's a matter of this coaching staff pulling out all the stops because they have nothing to lose and everything to gain.
I suspect we'll see at least two ints on from Etling. My hope is that they're on deep balls that don't get returned, kind of acting like punts. I don't think those would be killer if Bama doesn't score off of them.
A BIG job will be stopping Alabama's offense on 3rd down in the first half. I suspect the defense will need everything they can muster in the 4th quarter. Some 3 and outs on that side, and some conversions on offense in the first half would go a long way to winning the 4th quarter.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:40 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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A BIG job will be stopping Alabama's offense on 3rd down in the first half. I suspect the defense will need everything they can muster in the 4th quarter. Some 3 and outs on that side, and some conversions on offense in the first half would go a long way to winning the 4th quarter.
Yea - I agree. Like I said above, I feel like if LSU has confidence that they are pound for pound Alabama's equal (which I think they do feel like), then they will play straight up for 3 quarters and try to get it to the 4th. And I'm guessing some people sitting in Tiger Stadium will be pissed that they seem to be playing conservatively, but it will be the right call.
It'll be that 4th quarter where the chess game starts.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:41 pm to Triple Daves
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Running a bunch of non-conservative stuff with that pass line and that QB has a flipside to it.
Exactly....I mean that strategy could, I stress could, get ugly real fast. They do have the defense to keep them in the game but if they are getting behind the chains, going three and out, and keeping the D on the field, Bama will grind them down.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:44 pm to Triple Daves
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I kind of feel like the risk in that is kind of high.
But the reward makes the risk worth it. Lose to Bama, and O doesn't get the job. Win, and he's in. This will be no time to play it safe.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:45 pm to 14&Counting
Not to mention throwing slants and in routes in the middle of the field with QB pressure every play............I mean you are just asking for our guys to strip sack or pick 6.
It's a risk/reward situation.
It's a risk/reward situation.
Posted on 11/2/16 at 2:46 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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This will be no time to play it safe.
Meh....a close loss and a respectable effort would be nothing to be ashamed of...LSU shouldn't make their coaching decision based on the fact that they took a loss to Bama.
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