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re: Auburn vs Clemson over the decades

Posted on 7/9/15 at 11:22 pm to
Posted by Jamie Lannister
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 11:22 pm to
probation had nothing to do with the title team.

the recruiting violation was for two players in TN who never played for Clemson. it was a booster who violated the rules which was basically some gifts or something. the punishment Clemson received did not fit the crime. it wasn't fake classes over 20 years like UNC or similar

auburn only has 2 titles and top program in ncaa violations. i'm not beating up on auburn , i'm just saying auburn isn't significantly better program than clemson
This post was edited on 7/9/15 at 11:27 pm
Posted by Jamie Lannister
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 11:25 pm to
Clemson is 60-40 over SC all time. you confused.

you obviously didn't see the game last year. didn[t see much dominance lol

Tenn beat SC last two years but nobody would say Tenn was the better program. any average team can upset a better program from time to time.

good night
Posted by Jamie Lannister
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 11:31 pm to
ok we will always have a lake adjacent to campus, and mountains nearby and higher academic ranking. you can have 34 wins over Clemson, 9 from 1910s. lol

I like auburn as a school, it has a good rep for engineering

I believe Pittsburgh has more titles than auburn, like 6 or something. lol nobody would say pitt is better than auburn in modern era, which exposes the weakness of Auburn talking about record aainst Clemson since the 1890s.

in modern area auburn is 3-2 against Clemson and lost last two.
This post was edited on 7/9/15 at 11:35 pm
Posted by Weagle25
THE Football State.
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 11:32 pm to
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Record is 3-2 Auburn over Clemson last 3 decades with 2 of auburn's wins went overtime and the other was 4 point win. Auburn may have been average or bad in 1980s for all I know, and Clemson never played AUburn in that decade and that was best decade for Clemson. who knows, we could have won 5 or more against auburn that decade

if you're going to try and compare football programs, at least do some light researching so you know at least a little about what you're talking about.

Auburn was definitely down in the 80s...yall would've stomped us. That Bo guy sucked too.
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 11:34 pm to
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we will always have a lake adjacent to campus, and mountains nearby and higher academic ranking. you can have 34 wins over Clemson, 9 from 1910s. lol

Then why did you come in here comparing our football programs?

quote:

believe Pittsburgh has more titles than auburn, like 6 or something. lol

Ahh so you're a fan of Pittsburgh now?
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 11:34 pm to
Nobody wants to counter because your shtick is so laughable but I'll humor you.

So you want to disregard two decades because Clemson was smaller (all schools were smaller back then FYI) but you still want to count every other decade in that timeframe when only 7 games have been played after the 60's.

The 80's were your best decade? Cool, Auburn was better. Clemson cheated to win the national championship in 1981. Auburn should have won the national championship in 1983. We had a heisman winner and one of the best athletes ever in Bo Jackson. Auburn ended the 80's with 3 straight SEC championships.

Auburn has 2 AP national championships, so you're wrong about that. As already stated Clemson was put on probation for paying the best players the year they won the NC and it would be vacated by modern standards.
Posted by auburnphan23
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 11:35 pm to
Auburn is superior to Clemson in every category despite playing a tougher schedule. Only fan bases that suffer from an inferiority complex hang around another team or conference board begging for respect like you do here. I would literally volunteer to be taken hostage by ISIS before I begged any Clemson or ACC board to respect Auburn.
This post was edited on 7/9/15 at 11:38 pm
Posted by Jamie Lannister
Member since Jun 2015
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 11:40 pm to
they didn't cheat because the recuiting violation was for players who did not play on title team and never played for Clemson. it was minor violation anyway, no player is going to go to a school b/c of some small dollar gifts. it wasn't coach but a booster that offered the gifts\

clmeson has had more all americans than AUburn based on a column I read. I will have to dig it up again if you dispute this

auburn was basically always twice the size of Clemson. I believe it started out as liberal arts school for women then transition to land grant university, it had a head start on Clemson. you can google the historic enrollment at both colleges to confirm this.
Posted by Weagle25
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 11:44 pm to
Auburn consensus all-Americans: 68

Clemson: 23

try again
Posted by Jamie Lannister
Member since Jun 2015
2143 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 11:45 pm to
most years, auburn doesn't play tougher schedule, they are about the same.

typicall there are 2-3 sec teams overranked in a season. Both SC and ole miss were overanked last year. I believe SC started season in top 5 even though they lost a ton of players including QB from previous year.

some people act like Georgia, lsu, bama, auburn are really good every year but some years they are just average, but playing in Sec provides cover for this. typically in a SEC season, there are two really good teams, 3 above average teams, 4 or 5 average teams and then some really bad teams. that is typical of every conference.
Posted by BowlJackson
Birmingham, AL
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 11:48 pm to
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I believe it started out as liberal arts school for women


how embarrassing, you should deny that.
It might be even more embarrassing that you're not even sure about that and you claim to be a fan of the school.
This post was edited on 7/9/15 at 11:50 pm
Posted by auburnphan23
Member since Jan 2014
5862 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 11:50 pm to
I just googled Clemson's probation, and you are completely full of shite when you say it was minor.

You were banned from TV and bowl games for two years and docked 20 scholarships for giving cars, cash, TV sets, and clothes to recruits. It was one of the worst probations ever handed out at the time
Posted by Weagle25
THE Football State.
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 11:51 pm to
Since you won't do your research even though it takes about 2 seconds:

Auburn:
2 Claimed National Titles
6 Unclaimed National Titles
12 Conference Titles
742-421-47 (.633)
3 Heismans
68 All-Americans
22 bowl wins
39 bowl appearances

Clemson:
1 Claimed National Titles
20 Conference Titles
689-455-45 (.598)
0 Heismans
23 All-Americans
19 Bowl Wins
37 Bowl Appearances

We beat you in every category but Conf titles...and you're in a different conference so...
This post was edited on 7/9/15 at 11:53 pm
Posted by Jamie Lannister
Member since Jun 2015
2143 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 11:52 pm to
ok maybe I got something switched.

I believe Clemson has more conference titles.

regardless Clemson was ranked most fun university

we will see where the two programs are in comparison to each other the next two seasons.

then we have texas am for two seasons. it is not inconceivable that Clemson will be a little better in future seasons. long as Clemson keeps trending up that is all that matters
Posted by Weagle25
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Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 7/9/15 at 11:55 pm to
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regardless Clemson was ranked most fun university

Ok now I know you're trolling. You come in comparing football programs and then bring this shite in here?

Who the frick even ranks the "most fun universities"?
This post was edited on 7/9/15 at 11:56 pm
Posted by DuncanIdaho
Ouray, CO
Member since Feb 2013
14970 posts
Posted on 7/9/15 at 11:56 pm to
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hen we have texas am for two seasons. it is not inconceivable that Clemson will be a little better in future seasons. long as Clemson keeps trending up that is all that matters

Good luck after losing Chad Morris (whose hiring was another attempt at copying Auburn).
Posted by Jamie Lannister
Member since Jun 2015
2143 posts
Posted on 7/10/15 at 12:00 am to
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I would literally volunteer to be taken hostage by ISIS before I begged any Clemson or ACC board to respect Auburn.


I hope not literally. ISIS literally beheads people.

I don't disrespect auburn. this thread was basically a think piece in response to a comment I saw earlier on here by an Auburn fan in reference to Clemson. all I did is look at the record by decade and in modern era when Clemson became a real university.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 7/10/15 at 12:01 am to
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Clemson beating Furman due to Clemson's small size. we don't talk about our record against Furman.


size of school has been irrelevant since high school
Posted by Jamie Lannister
Member since Jun 2015
2143 posts
Posted on 7/10/15 at 12:06 am to
the ACC probation was pushed by UNC who basically ran the conference for decades. UNC now opposes a conference imposed probation for their academic scandal which to me is worse violation.

I never understood the gifts thing because you could argue the colleges with a lot of money have an unfair advantage in recruiting because they have nicer facilities that attract good players. it basically the same thing, a bribe.

i'm not saying Clemson shouldn't have been punished but I do believe that violation was not as bad as ones handed down on auburn and auburn had more of them. I believe also had seasons vacated. I know Alabama had several seasons vacated.

regardless, I believe that I have proven Clemson is as good as Auburn in modern era and competed in the 3 losses, decided by 3 or 4 points. when auburn fans dump on Clemson and Dabo, they paint a picture that auburn is superior program to Clemson but Clemson has proven they can play with SEC teams.
This post was edited on 7/10/15 at 12:10 am
Posted by Jamie Lannister
Member since Jun 2015
2143 posts
Posted on 7/10/15 at 12:13 am to
Clemson passed it a lot more than Auburn has. Auburn was rushing much more. every coach wants to run the ball though so silly to say Clemson wanted to copy Auburn.

Our new OC coached in our bowl win over Oklahamo in which we scored at least 40 points and Cole Stoudt who struggled under Morris had 4 touchdowns and like 350 yards passing. Our new OC is an engineer as well and much smarter than average OC.

Chad Morris bad play calling against better defenses was big factor in SC losses. I am glad he moved on.
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