re: Auburn folks : What was your gut feeling seeing Dabo hoist that title trophy?

Tillman, get the frick outta here. It was ok while there was a football game still to be played, but the season's over, so.....go bother your mama, big brother, little brother, or whoever you bother when you get tired of playing on the computer....run along.

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Incredible. Dabo wins a national title and is leading one of two programs with six consecutive 10-win seasons and we're talking about how much he can't coach and doesn't know shite.

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Clemson is a really good team, but let's see how he does without Watson in there at QB.

that is only b/c a past Clemson president and athletic director undermined the football program when they fired Danny Ford.

again, record and conference titles and national ttiels are not proof that there is more pressure to win at Alabama than Clemson and other places. that's just Alabama fans doing marketing.

bama also had a lot of wins vacated, something Bama fans never talk about

nah you guys just act like Alabama football is a bigger deal than it is. a lot of is just fans doing propaganda for recruiting. i get it.

fanbases all over the south are the exact same. no more pressure to win at bama than anywhere else. no of titles has nothing to do with pressure to win

i love how Bama fans say only reason Dabo won is b/c he had a great QB, as though Bama isn't stacked with talent. i think it is safe to say every coach needs a bunch of talented players wo in a natty, not just Clemson. in my opinion, Saban has exploited the fact the SEC has not been good especially at QB position in recent years.

there is absolutely no pressure for Saban to win another national title now. he has won 4 at Alabama in the last decade and been to another. what is the pressure. he's not on the hot seat. the only reason Bama fans expect to win the natty ever year is b/c Saban. has won 4 of them. that has nothing to do with pressure to win.

the truth of the matter is Saban would be able to stay at Alabama for another 10 years even if they are mediocre seasons, similar to what happened at FSU with Bowden. lol

what also cracks me up is Alabama coveniently ignore the fact walkon Renfrow destroyed them two years in a row and caught the game winning TD in which he was wide open due to good play calling. Also Mike Williams and Legget made incredible catches on that drive. it wasn't all Watsonn.

if a walkon makes the game winning catch and was wide open, it is interesting that bama fans would try to reduce Dabo's and Clemson's success to a QB. Renfrow probably would have not been able to play at Alabama, coaches would not have given him a chance.

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you alabama people probably need to leave the state every now and then.

you act like there is more pressure at alabama because they won more titles in hte past lol.

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Let's review...

1. Alabama fired Bill Curry the year he WON AN SEC TITLE and finished #9 in the country because he lost 3 straight times to Auburn.

2. Alabama ran off National Championship coach Gene Stallings because he had back-to-back 3-loss seasons.

3. Dennis Franchione bolted Tuscaloosa after a 10-win season for Texas A&M simply because he could not take the pressure.

And things aren't any better on the other side of the state with Auburn:

1. Auburn fired Tommy Tuberville after he had Auburn as the #12 program in the AP during his decade on the Plains. Not even an SEC Championship Trophy and a 7-3 record against Alabama was able to save him.

2. Gene Chizik was fired two years after winning a National Title because he had one losing season.

3. Now about half of the Auburn fans want to run off Gus despite the fact that he's won an SEC Title and had Auburn in the Final Top 25 in three out of four seasons.

No on is saying that Clemson fans don't expect their coach to win. But Tommy Bowden somehow made it as head coach for 10 seasons despite zero conference Titles, one lone Top 20 finish, and zero 10-win seasons. I can just tell you right now, there are at least 7 SEC jobs that would never let a coach hang out with that record for a 10th season.... it just wouldn't happen.

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that isn't proof there is more pressure at Alabama,

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Sure there is. It's already been given to you. If you don't win 10 games and at the very least conference titles at Alabama or Auburn (or any of the big SEC programs for that matter), you'll be canned.

At Clemson, you get a decade to try.

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just more knee jerk rednecks in charge of the programs.

Ken Hatfield was fired after 4 solid seasons inclding an ACC title.

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So why was that? Knee jerk rednecks?

In all honesty, I doubt Dabo Swinney would have survived at Alabama or Auburn long enough to win a National Title

Year 1: 5 losses including one to your arch-rival South Carolina (7-6). Not to mention an embarrassing loss to Maryland (2-10).

Year 2: a horrible 6-7 record culminating in a second consecutive loss to arch-rival South Carolina (9-5) and a bowl game loss to South Florida (8-5). Ouch.

Year 3: An ACC Title probably wouldn't be enough to overcome the fact that he lost 4 of his final 6 games... including a 3rd consecutive loss to arch-rival South Carolina and the infamous 70-33 loss in the Orange Bowl to West Virginia.

Dabo averaged 5.3 losses per season during his first three years. That plus an 0-3 record in those years against South Carolina would not have kept him around at literally half of the SEC schools.

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this is evidence Clemson has a better athletic deparmtnet now compared to SEC schools.

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If by "better athletic deparmtnet" you mean allowing coaches to hang around and lose 5+ games per season, then yes, you are correct.

Obviously the SEC could learn from other schools that sometimes coaches don't reach their prime years until Year 5 or 6.... usually they are long gone by then in the SEC if they hadn't been winning already. So you are right about that.

So why do coaches not get that long to try to win in the SEC.... MORE PRESSURE.

Thanks for proving everyone right.

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u guys act like the school doesn't have to pay a lot of money to break a contract with a coach.

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Ummm. Go do some digging on Auburn paying ex-coaches and you'll see its the norm for them to have 3 or more former coaches on the payroll at any given time.

If your program expects to win, a buyout is irrelevant no matter what the cost.