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re: Auburn could have hired Kirby after the 2012 season.
Posted on 12/20/17 at 10:15 pm to 14&Counting
Posted on 12/20/17 at 10:15 pm to 14&Counting
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Like what? Control? Money couldn't be an issue........
Control was part of it. Other things he wanted to know did not concern him if he wasn't the hired HC.
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 4:41 am to Commander Data
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Not saying that Kirby is better than Gus but it does look that way. Kirby interviewed at auburn because Pat Dye recommended him for the job. Glad you guys hired Gus honestly. What do you think and what did you think at the time?
Let's slow our roll before we consider Kirby the 2nd coming of Sabear. Sabear would never lose to AU 40-17 -- he wouldn't lose to ANYONE by that margin.
Kirby is going to have to show he can be as consistent as Saban in winning every game he should and when losing, losing only in tight games.
That said, I wanted Gus more at the time because I felt a defensive head coach would just lead us back to the Tubershell days of mediocre offense. I wouldn't have cried if Kirby were hired, but I think everything worked out for the best for him and everyone else.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 7:00 am to Commander Data
Auburn didn't want him to coach for Bama in the NCG. In all likelihood he would have left us for UGA if they wanted him so it's not really a loss IMO.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 9:36 am to MrAUTigers
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Other things he wanted to know did not concern him if he wasn't the hired HC.
Go on.......
Posted on 12/21/17 at 9:47 am to 14&Counting
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Go on.......
I've heard the same thing from someone that knows Kirby's family. Kirby was making "demands"/requests basically asking AU to become an open book and let him go through things such as Cam Newton investigation + 3rd party documentation
There is no way Auburn is letting their biggest rivals' DC comb through all their stuff. Especially if he wasn't for sure the #1 candidate
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Posted on 12/21/17 at 10:04 am to NytroBud
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What bowl is Auburn playing in? I seem to have somehow forgotten.
Early onset Alzheimer's is sad.
Or maybe you're just not very smart.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 10:06 am to Commander Data
Both Gene Chizik and Gus started stronger than Kirby. Now, he may very well prove to be a better coach than both of them… But hold your horses a bit until that shakes out.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 10:08 am to StopRobot
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Kirby won an SEC title in year two. Gus in year one. Just sayin
Posted on 12/21/17 at 10:10 am to AU_251
FWIW I didn't want Kirby when it was being rumored he was an option. I now and forever want as little to do with Bama as possible.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 10:18 am to Commander Data
In Auburn's defense, there had to have been some concern about hiring a "Georgia guy" who could leave them at any time to go back to his alma mater. Losing a HC to one of your two biggest rivals is never a good situation, so Auburn was probably wise to avoid it.
I'd personally take Kirby. However, let the record show that what Kirby has done in his first two seasons is no different than what Gus did in his first two seasons at Auburn.... so far at least.
I'd say Kirby's future outlook (Year 3 and beyond) is looking much brighter. But Auburn did just win the SEC West in Gus' 5th season. Certainly he's proven to be a quality HC.
I'd personally take Kirby. However, let the record show that what Kirby has done in his first two seasons is no different than what Gus did in his first two seasons at Auburn.... so far at least.
I'd say Kirby's future outlook (Year 3 and beyond) is looking much brighter. But Auburn did just win the SEC West in Gus' 5th season. Certainly he's proven to be a quality HC.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 10:28 am to deeprig9
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Kirby turned down the job. No troll, fact.
Yes, but for specific reasons Auburn was unwilling to budge on.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 10:30 am to DonaldDuckworth
Difference is A rental player named Cam newton and 2 miracles were required for au. Not sustainable.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:34 am to Commander Data
He got his dream job. Pat dye ran aubie then. not a good fit for Kirby at the time!!
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:54 am to BHMKyle
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I'd personally take Kirby
probably safer top go with someone from Saban's coaching tree than Houston Nutt's
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:54 am to djsdawg
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Difference is A rental player named Cam newton and 2 miracles were required for au. Not sustainable.
I agree Gus' Year 1 was not quite as impressive as Kirby's Year 2. Yes, they needed miracles to win two big games. But most folks don't want to admit that the "miracle" against Alabama was simply avoiding Overtime. Even without the Kick6, Auburn was headed to OT with all the momentum against the #1 team in the country. So you can't just disqualify that win for Auburn and act as if it was no big deal.
As for the Hail Mary, yes, it was a miracle. But they did kick our tail for the first 3 quarters.
I believe Gus deserves much credit for his 2013 season. It was shaky at times (loss to LSU, 4th Quarter against Georgia, etc.), but Auburn did beat Alabama and followed it up with a win over a Top 5 team in the SEC Championship Game against Missouri.
Even still, what Auburn accomplished this season might be even more impressive. They came up a game short, but Auburn has nothing to be ashamed of going 10-3, winning the SEC West, all while playing one of the more difficult regular season schedules any team has played in recent memory. They beat Georgia and Alabama. Lost to Clemson in Death Valley by single digits. Eventually they wore out and were beat soundly by us in Atlanta.
I do believe Georgia is the better overall team this year. But Auburn was without a doubt the best team in the SEC West. Better than Alabama. Alabama may have made the Playoff, but Auburn is the better team. If a coach manages to have his team playing as the best team in the SEC West in his 5th season, then that program is doing quite alright, IMO.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 11:58 am to GenesChin
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There is no way Auburn is letting their biggest rivals' DC comb through all their stuff. Especially if he wasn't for sure the #1 candidate
Understand....that seems odd that he was concerned about Cam because I thought by that point it was an open shut case....Wasn't AU cleared by then, I can't remember the timeline though....I get that he might be concerned he could be walking into a potential NCAA mess
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:00 pm to BHMKyle
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I agree Gus' Year 1 was not quite as impressive as Kirby's Year 2.
LOL - pump the breaks on that one.....Kirby hasn't got to the title game yet. OU may bounce UGA.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:06 pm to AUstar
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Let's slow our roll before we consider Kirby the 2nd coming of Sabear. Sabear would never lose to AU 40-17 -- he wouldn't lose to ANYONE by that margi
First of all, nobody on earth (*gasp* uga fans included) think kirby is the next saban. Nobody is the next saban, saban has his own tier and then everyone else. So let's get that right off the bat.
Second, yall act like saban just started coaching when he got to tuscaloosa. Kirby is in his 2nd year year EVER as a head coach. Saban had plenty of 30 and 40 point beatdowns early in his tenure while at michigan state. It's almost like...people learn and get better as they get more experience.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:11 pm to 14&Counting
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Gus' Year 1 was not quite as impressive as Kirby's Year 2.
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LOL - pump the breaks on that one.....Kirby hasn't got to the title game yet. OU may bounce UGA.
First of all there's an extra game now with the playoffs that gus didn't, so your last point is irrelevant.
-Gus's first year only lost in the regular seaosn on the road to LSU. An LSU team that was ranked as high as 6 and ended up ranked 14th. They won the SEC over a team ranked 5th then went to the posteason.
-Kirby's year only lost in the regular season on the road to AU. An AU team that was ranked as high as 2nd (also note that kirby also beat this same AU team). They won the SEC over a team ranked 2nd then went to the postseason.
In the 2 years we're comparing, Kirby's loss was to a better team, and their SECCG victory was over a better team.
At this point kirby losing is irrelevant since Gus lost the next game as well. To say this year isn't as good as Gus's 1st year is actually completely wrong now that I look at it.
Posted on 12/21/17 at 12:12 pm to 14&Counting
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LOL - pump the breaks on that one.....Kirby hasn't got to the title game yet. OU may bounce UGA.
Gus went 12-2 in 2013.
Kirby will go no worse than 12-2 in 2017.
Gus won an SEC Title in 2013
Kirby won as SEC Title in 2017
Even if Georgia loses to Oklahoma in the Rose Bowl, then the accomplishments for Gus in Year 1 and Kirby in Year 2 will be equal. Kirby has already equaled everything Gus accomplished in '13.
And don't give me the "reaching a National Title Game" crap... there was no Playoff then. It's not like Auburn won a Semifinal Game to reach the Championship. When it comes to Trophies and records, Kirby this season can do no worse than what Gus did in '13.... and it could very likely end up being better.
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