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Posted on 2/27/17 at 2:22 pm to AshLSU
Posted on 2/27/17 at 2:22 pm to AshLSU
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My point being they can't vacate wins on the reasoning that some athletes that didn't sign with us were paid so athletes that did sign with us must have also got paid. There has to be proof
No. They don't need proof.
Technically, of course not. They can do whatever they want. However, they normally don't, and would have no reason to, vacate wins unless a violation somehow relates to those games, such as if they used an ineligible player in the games, the player being ineligible due to receiving impermissible benefits. The Penn State case was an anomaly in the sense that the violations didn't really relate to the games they won during the years in question. I don't see anything in this NOA to suggest Ole Miss would have to vacate wins, unless they go on the allegation about the player hunting on the booster's property both during recruitment and after he enrolled, but that is listed as a level III violation, which would be unlikely to result in vacating wins.
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Posted on 2/27/17 at 3:28 pm to GreyReb
awe awe awe: so he is the problem not your coaches. The student.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 3:38 pm to RT1941
Exactly!! And we don't know any of the details of these latest ones, we only heard what they wanted you to hear. Wait till we see the total doc and see how many actual times they violated each one of the new ones.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 4:16 pm to martbaker1
Pete Thamel of S.Illustrated was on Finebaum, his full article can be found at S.I. com, and he said that in talking to numerous NCAA experts, former & current, people in the Black Bears' A.Dept, there are several things to consider. One is the number of Level 1 violations allegations. One expert said he'd not heard of that many in a long long time. Another said that with the allegation of lack of institutional control, that brings into the play the academic fraud allegations going back to Nutt's days, as it was the same administration for the most part. He said that this charge is a "sleeping giant". Several experts felt that this could drag on till 2018, in that the Black Bears would not appear in front of the committee till the Fall, then the NCAA's would sit in judgment, and then there is the assumption that the Black Bears will appeal any significant charges.There is also the new NCAA rule, proposed & endorsed by the H.C.'s that a H.C. is responsible for any & all acts occurring under his watch, cut & dried, no wiggle room. This would be the first test case as to how serious the H.C.'s mandate will be taken by the NCAA. Worth a trip over to his article in S.I.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 5:27 pm to Kingpenm3
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come to read up on the Ole Miss situation and have to wade through this kind of crap.
I feel the same fricking way have to wade through jealous arse corndogs trying to make this about daddy Bama. It's old slick.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 5:39 pm to Keltic Tiger
You lost me at Pete Thamel.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 6:17 pm to Keltic Tiger
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Pete Thamel of S.Illustrated
Will assume everything following this is made up
Posted on 2/27/17 at 6:18 pm to RT1941
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The NCAA has plenty of ammo in this OleMiss case outside of the Leo Lewis testimony. My God, they racked up over a dozen Level 1's, plenty of ammo.
Some people act like the only reason Ole Miss is in trouble is because of Leo Lewis. My guess is he was offered immunity to give a statement and the NCAA said we know you were paid so testify or else. I don't think he started singing just for the hell of it.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 6:30 pm to Keltic Tiger
The very worst thing that could happen if you are Ole Miss is it dragging out till 2018.
Posted on 2/27/17 at 6:31 pm to Keltic Tiger
The very worst thing that could happen if you are Ole Miss is it dragging out till 2018.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 4:05 am to memphisplaya
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Am I suppose to believe Lewis turned down 15K from Ole Miss and an additional amount from LSU to go to MSU out of the kindness of his heart?
The point of my post is that them accepting that account could open up a huge can of worms with Rival programs.
Auburn/Alabama
Michigan/OSU
Texas/OU
UF/FSU
Ect.
The old saying can come into play here to.
"When the NCAA knocks on your door YOU LIE."
What's to stop these programs manipulating or falsely influencing a decision?
Your post was down voted but you raise a good point. If schools are willing to cheat by paying players, what's to stop them from "asking" players recruited by rival schools to lie and claim "school x offered me money, but of course I turned it down?"
This post was edited on 2/28/17 at 4:07 am
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:13 am to RT1941
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The NCAA has plenty of ammo in this OleMiss case outside of the Leo Lewis testimony
There were 5 prospects listed in OM's response, A-E. Let's assume that all were offered immunity for their cooperation and that prospects A, B, and E went on to other schools. That leads you to believe that prospects C and D signed with OM and are current or former players. So now there are three possibilities:
-they played an ineligible player and will forfeit wins
-they will have to suspend a player or two for the coming season
-they cooperated with the NCAA and were given immunity
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:41 am to Tdot_RiverDawg
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The NCAA has plenty of ammo in this OleMiss case outside of the Leo Lewis testimony
quote:Interestingly enough, I think the players on the OM team cooperated with the NCAA and will play.
There were 5 prospects listed in OM's response, A-E. Let's assume that all were offered immunity for their cooperation and that prospects A, B, and E went on to other schools. That leads you to believe that prospects C and D signed with OM and are current or former players. So now there are three possibilities:
-they played an ineligible player and will forfeit wins
-they will have to suspend a player or two for the coming season
-they cooperated with the NCAA and were given immunity
Hell, rumor has it OleMiss helped the NCAA in a sting operation with a clothing store, and it's pretty damn evident that someone within the OM Administration leaked a butt load of information to the investigators.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 8:49 am to RT1941
Who are the "boosters" that we hear about for Ole Miss?
Posted on 2/28/17 at 10:46 am to DeltaDoc
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Who are the "boosters" that we hear about for Ole Miss?
The Booster family is a Mississippi based family that made its fortune inventing the eponymous "booster seat" for children and undersized adults. They have put that fortune to work purchasing players for the powerhouse Ole Miss football program.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 11:29 am to RT1941
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Hell, rumor has it OleMiss helped the NCAA in a sting operation with a clothing store
Then why are they fighting it?
Setting aside those four allegations, the university will contest the following allegations in full:
5. Allegation number five – It is alleged that one former staff member (Former Staff Member B) arranged for a friend of the family of Prospective Student-Athlete D to receive impermissible merchandise from a store owned by a booster on one occasion in 2013 and that Former Staff Member A arranged for Prospective Student-Athletes B and E (both student-athletes enrolled at another institution) to receive merchandise in 2014, 15, and 16. The value of the alleged impermissible recruiting inducements is approximately $2,800 and is charged as a Level I violation.
Posted on 2/28/17 at 11:33 am to Tdot_RiverDawg
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Then why are SAYING that they are fighting it?
fify
Posted on 2/28/17 at 12:58 pm to Vecchio Cane
What has still gone unanswered AND UNQUESTIONED in the national media is:
What did Archie know? How long has he known it? How did he first learn about it?
And
How high a role did Archie play in it?
What did Archie know? How long has he known it? How did he first learn about it?
And
How high a role did Archie play in it?
Posted on 2/28/17 at 12:59 pm to Tdot_RiverDawg
quote:Their Administration is leading the public to believe that they are fighting the charges. They have been very untruthful and deceiving to the public through much of this shite storm. So, who knows what's actually included in the amended NOA and what OM will appeal or accept when they get their day in front of the COI?
Then why are they fighting it?
Posted on 2/28/17 at 1:09 pm to Vecchio Cane
They can not accept the lack of institutional control, no one can. It's give NCAA carte Blanche to do whatever the fricks it wants including the death penalty. But more importantly to ole miss administration they will all have to be fired and then untouchable. They could end up on the streets like white professor who lied about being black. Even if they don't get show cause order they are fricked.
They will do anything to keep that shite from happening. Including serve uo Freese head on a platter
They will do anything to keep that shite from happening. Including serve uo Freese head on a platter
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