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re: Arkansas is the best school for QBs and WRs in the SEC
Posted on 11/29/10 at 11:07 am to adammwilson
Posted on 11/29/10 at 11:07 am to adammwilson
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Arkansas is the best school for QBs and WRs in the SEC
meh. The site doesn't site any examples.
There are much much much better sites out there for the draft.
Once again I concede you are much more knowledgeable than most about Petrino's capabilities. Obviously, Petrino had a very negative effect on the following quarterbacks. It's a mystery why only so few experts, like yourself, see through Petrino's facade.
Like I stated earlier, you should go into the business with your keen insights and football expertise. I'm serious. You have made some great points about Petrino's inability to develop QBs and I'm now convinced that he doesn’t know what the hell he is doing. Ruined my day.
In his coaching career, Petrino has worked with numerous players who went on to play professionally, including an impressive list of NFL quarterbacks. As a head coach, he helped develop quarterbacks Stefan LeFors (2003-04) and Brian Brohm (2004-06) at Louisville. As a coordinator or assistant, he tutored Jason Campbell at Auburn (2002), Chris Redman at Louisville (1998), Jake Plummer at Arizona State (1993), and Doug Nussmeier (1990-91) and John Friesz (1989) at Idaho.
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This post was edited on 11/29/10 at 11:08 am
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Posted on 11/29/10 at 11:08 am to Choctaw Hog
see previous comment.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 11:10 am to Choctaw Hog
now you're taking it too far. Like I said I think Petrino is a good QB's coach and he helps every qb do very very well in his scheme. HOWEVER, when it comes to the NFL his QB's do very poorly.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 11:12 am to adammwilson
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see previous comment.
Same. I'm serious. You shouldn't be wasting your time on a message board. Your insights and knowledge of football is too great to just pass out for free.
Like I stated earlier, you should go into the business with your keen insights and football expertise. I'm serious. You have made some great points about Petrino's inability to develop QBs and I'm now convinced that he doesn’t know what the hell he is doing.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 11:13 am to Choctaw Hog
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let's also factor in Bobby Petrino's poor history of sending quarterbacks to the NFL (Dave Ragone, Stefan LeFors, Chris Redman, Brian Brohm). Something about Petrino's system either doesn't prepare them for the NFL because the receivers are wide open thanks to great route combinations and play calling, or he just finds a way to mask the talent level (not a problem with Mallett).
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Posted on 11/29/10 at 11:14 am to Choctaw Hog
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In Bobby Petrino’s offensive scheme, high completion percentages are expected. The scheme is also famous for making average quarterback prospects, such as Brian Brohm, seem elite. However, Mallett has not put up elite completion percentages, and his accuracy is suspect. When watching Mallett play, he will make several staggering throws that only a few players could make. But then he will also miss on a few easy passes that a high schooler could complete. The young quarterback has to become more consistent, or else he will be compared to the always frustrating Derek Anderson, instead of Roethlisberger. Also, there are murmurings of character concerns surrounding Mallett, and his intangibles are far from elite.
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Posted on 11/29/10 at 11:18 am to adammwilson
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Arkansas is the best school for QBs and WRs in the SEC
now you're taking it too far. Like I said I think Petrino is a good QB's coach and he helps every qb do very very well in his scheme. HOWEVER, when it comes to the NFL his QB's do very poorly.
We are agreeing with you. Why the hell can't you see that? Those idiots in the NFL don't know what the hell they are talking about including NFL Coach Tom Coughlin. He should have conferred with you before making Petrino his QB coach at Jacksonville. What the hell was he thinking? Petrino does a poor job at developing QBs and it you don't believe it, just ask TD Football expert adammwilson. You are the man!
Posted on 11/29/10 at 11:19 am to adammwilson
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what I took away the most from this game is the Bobby Petrino System, and how it really makes QB’s shine. It got me to thinking especially once Mallett got injured and Wilson stepped right in and threw for over 300 yards, is it the QB or just the system? If one is to examine Petrino’s history his offences have produced everywhere he has gone, however, not a single one of his quarterbacks Brohm, Redman, or Ragone, have translated well to the NFL. Therefore, if a team’s passing offence continues to produce year after year with the quarterbacks racking up big yardage but never any of them producing in the NFL, I have to think it is the systems and not the players. Mallett in my opinion looks to be in the same category as those other QB’s, a great statistical quarterback in college who will be unable to perform in the NFL. This becomes even more apparent when you consider his statuesque mobility and his questionable personal issues. For Kyle Wilson’s sake I hope he will be the anomaly under Bobby Petrino’s quarterback friendly system and not the norm.
this is VERY similar to what I said last week.
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Posted on 11/29/10 at 11:20 am to adammwilson
Are those links to your NFL sites? If not, I'm not going to waste my time becauuse I can get better info from you.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 11:21 am to adammwilson
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every other qb than you listed most likely.
Really? Let's just think about his time at Arkansas and Louisville. OBVIOUSLY those are two schools KNOWN for being hotbeds of QB talent. Prolific histories of having NFL QB's, don't ya know.
Louisville -
Lefors (Louisville was his only D1 offer)
Brohm
Redman
Cantwell (2 star)
Arkansas -
Dick (3 star - complete bust up until Petrino)
Mallett
Those are his 6 last QB's in which he had at least some influence.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 11:21 am to Choctaw Hog
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Those idiots in the NFL don't know what the hell they are talking about including NFL Coach Tom Coughlin.
I'm not disagreeing with Coughlin. Just saying what's here.
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Petrino does a poor job at developing QBs
if you think this is what i'm saying your reading comprehension sucks.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 11:23 am to ocelot4ark
you're missing my point man. Petrino is great at helping QB's and doing the best with the talent he has. That's not up for debate. What is up for debate is how he prepares these qb's for the nfl. None were successful in the nfl.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 11:24 am to adammwilson
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this is VERY similar to what I said last week.
You are preaching to the choir. I have conceded you are far more knowledgeable than NFL insiders, including Tom Coughlin, and I’m not going to waste my time reading their drivel. I guess Mallett might as well come back for another year since he hasn’t been nor will he be developed under Petrino.
You have convinced many that Petrino doesn’t know what the hell he is doing. I just wish the Hogs had someone that could do better but I guess we are stuck with Petrino.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 11:24 am to Choctaw Hog
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Stefan LeFors (2003-04) and Brian Brohm (2004-06) at Louisville. As a coordinator or assistant, he tutored Jason Campbell at Auburn (2002), Chris Redman at Louisville (1998), Jake Plummer at Arizona State (1993), and Doug Nussmeier (1990-91) and John Friesz (1989) at Idaho.
so is this the reason Arky is the best school for QBs?
Posted on 11/29/10 at 11:25 am to Choctaw Hog
completely missing my point you dumb pig.Posted on 11/29/10 at 11:25 am to adammwilson
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Arkansas is the best school for QBs and WRs in the SEC
you're missing my point man. Petrino is great at helping QB's and doing the best with the talent he has. That's not up for debate. What is up for debate is how he prepares these qb's for the nfl. None were successful in the nfl.
You keep missing the point that you have changed my mind. Petrino sucks at QB development. Why do you keep repeating yourself?
Posted on 11/29/10 at 11:26 am to Choctaw Hog
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Petrino sucks at QB development.
no he sucks at preparing them for the nfl.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 11:28 am to WelcomeToDeathValley
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so is this the reason Arky is the best school for QBs?
I never stated that they were. But, with Petrino at the helm any "skilled" position player should give the Hogs a long, hard look and that's what's happening.
Posted on 11/29/10 at 11:29 am to adammwilson
What an absolute pile of garbage.
Only one SMALL problem with that logic. Mallett's his first QB to play in the SEC (save multi-year NFL starter Jason Campbell). It's one thing to say that the SYSTEM caused Brohm, LeFors, Redman, and Cantwell to have success in a shitty conference. But the SYSTEM he uses against SEC defenses is as close to an NFL system as you'll find in college football. And Mallett's putting up numbers against those same NFL caliber defenders that none of the other top QB's have seen outside of Sportscenter.
And any site that lists "questionable personal issues" in regards to Ryan Mallett is fricking bullshite. Link for those personal issues? Tigerdroppings isn't a fricking credible source. Jesus Christ.
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Mallett in my opinion looks to be in the same category as those other QB’s, a great statistical quarterback in college who will be unable to perform in the NFL.
Only one SMALL problem with that logic. Mallett's his first QB to play in the SEC (save multi-year NFL starter Jason Campbell). It's one thing to say that the SYSTEM caused Brohm, LeFors, Redman, and Cantwell to have success in a shitty conference. But the SYSTEM he uses against SEC defenses is as close to an NFL system as you'll find in college football. And Mallett's putting up numbers against those same NFL caliber defenders that none of the other top QB's have seen outside of Sportscenter.
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This becomes even more apparent when you consider his statuesque mobility and his questionable personal issues.
And any site that lists "questionable personal issues" in regards to Ryan Mallett is fricking bullshite. Link for those personal issues? Tigerdroppings isn't a fricking credible source. Jesus Christ.
This post was edited on 11/29/10 at 11:33 am
Posted on 11/29/10 at 11:31 am to ocelot4ark
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the SYSTEM he uses against SEC defenses is as close to an NFL system as you'll find in college football.
it's a pro style offense but you must admit their is some spread concepts in there.
He was with J. Campbell only a year.
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