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re: Are you sold on McElwain at Florida?

Posted on 8/19/16 at 9:16 pm to
Posted by Othello
the Neptonian Steel Mines
Member since Aug 2013
22925 posts
Posted on 8/19/16 at 9:16 pm to
Yes, I think he's a damn good coach. CSU was absolute shite when he got there. I do think they take a bit of a step back this year in terms of SEC play but he will keep UF competing for SEC titles IMO.
Posted by dbuchanon
Member since Nov 2014
19837 posts
Posted on 8/19/16 at 9:25 pm to
Unless its just a total sh**show i believe any HC should get at least 3-4 yrs to get his guys out there and see how he does.

We'll wait n see.
Posted by finchmeister08
Member since Mar 2011
35603 posts
Posted on 8/20/16 at 1:14 am to
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I certainly don't, but he still won the East.

Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
42621 posts
Posted on 8/20/16 at 2:26 am to
so far he seems to have a good grasp of X's and O's but he also seems less adaptable than he should be. What I mean by that is college football is never going to be ideal roster wise (unless you're at Bama) and he's been slow to tailor his offense to guys that don't fit perfectly and/or just don't fit his system at all.

Classic example: Roper did a much better job when he coached Treon.

In the xbox/theoretical sense, where you're looking at Xs and Os in a more pure way (without pesky players ruining it), I think he's great.

tl;dr - Not sold on Mac but I do think he has potential and playcalling talent. Intangibles so far are what's missing.
Posted by samson73103
Krypton
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 8/20/16 at 6:31 am to
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Who cares about split division titles?

Ole Miss circa 2003. They hang banners for shite like that
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140079 posts
Posted on 8/20/16 at 8:29 am to
Which Florida poster got to you?
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140079 posts
Posted on 8/20/16 at 8:31 am to
quote:

Classic example: Roper did a much better job when he coached Treon.


Roper's offense fit Treon's skills. Mac's does not. Hard to completely change the offense mid year to fit Treon who isn't any good anyway.

No one is good with Treon as your QB. No one. Belichick would suck with Treon.
Posted by tim85
asheville, NC
Member since Jul 2015
223 posts
Posted on 8/20/16 at 9:06 am to
quote:

less adaptable than he should be. What I mean by that is college football is never going to be ideal roster wise (unless you're at Bama) and he's been slow to tailor his offense to guys that don't fit perfectly and/or just don't fit his system at all.

Classic example: Roper did a much better job when he coached Treon.


I think this is inaccurate. McElwain did tailor the offense for Treon's first few games and he even talked about it in pressers. Towards the end of the season when it was clear Treon was simply not going to be a successful QB(or our QB of the future), he started to run "his" offense, or the system he wanted to install for the future -- because the rest of the offense needed to continue to progress and he needed to make sure they understood his system.
Posted by CNB
Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2007
95898 posts
Posted on 8/20/16 at 9:13 am to
Calm down, RG. All in the name of good discussion
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140079 posts
Posted on 8/20/16 at 9:16 am to
I'm not calm?

quote:

If Florida has a bad year this year, will McElwain be exposed as a bad coach since Florida gets all this talent? How long would Florida put up with him, since they have such high expectations?


When a post is worded like this it appears to be a reaction to a troll. I could be wrong. It would be the 2nd time.
This post was edited on 8/20/16 at 9:18 am
Posted by tjv305
Member since May 2015
12511 posts
Posted on 8/20/16 at 9:25 am to
I think everyone would agree that his offense under Treon was horrible. I would want to see him use another dual threat QB before I would blame him. Harris seem to be scared of contact which is a problem when your a athlete playing QB. If you watch Harris and Grier run the ball it's not even comparable. Grier was not scared of getting hit . The fact that this year Harris wasn't even given a chance to play QB and transferred , says a lot about how much coach Mac thinks of him. Treon was recruited by Roper because he fit his system. Harris went to UF because they gave him a chance to play QB and FSU wouldn't . The good news is that coach Mac doesn't seem to have a problem getting pro style QBs. Coach Mac is smart enough to know that you need a QB that can pass the ball. He has never had super talented QBs but they have all done good because they can pass the ball except Harris .
Posted by olemc999
At a blackjack table
Member since Oct 2010
13260 posts
Posted on 8/20/16 at 9:27 am to
Mac said at a presser that he was not changing the offense for one guy and screw the devolpment of the other ten guys.
Posted by CNB
Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2007
95898 posts
Posted on 8/20/16 at 9:43 am to
You're going to pop a blood vessel man. Chill out
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140079 posts
Posted on 8/20/16 at 9:44 am to
Posted by CNB
Columbia, SC
Member since Sep 2007
95898 posts
Posted on 8/20/16 at 9:45 am to
Posted by bigDgator
Dallas, TX
Member since Oct 2008
41256 posts
Posted on 8/20/16 at 10:25 am to
I am sold on year one. SEC coach of the year. To be fair the last 5 SEC coach of the year winners are either out of work or on the hot seat, so take it FWIW. We shall see about year two. Definite upgrade over our last coach for sure.
Posted by Prof
Member since Jun 2013
42621 posts
Posted on 8/20/16 at 12:12 pm to
quote:

I think this is inaccurate. McElwain did tailor the offense for Treon's first few games and he even talked about it in pressers. Towards the end of the season when it was clear Treon was simply not going to be a successful QB(or our QB of the future), he started to run "his" offense, or the system he wanted to install for the future -- because the rest of the offense needed to continue to progress and he needed to make sure they understood his system.


We'll have to agree to disagree (tho we do agree a whole lot) I think Mac stuck to his system because he already had the East wrapped up and deemed getting players used to the system for next year far more important that helping a bad QB in Treon.

Roper did so much better with Treon, imo.

That said, I think's better for coaches to adapt. The latter half of UF's season didn't need to be so bad,
Posted by gatordmb89
Member since Dec 2009
30458 posts
Posted on 8/20/16 at 12:16 pm to
McElwain didn't need to tailor the offense to Treon as good as the defense was. He would rather continue to develop the other guys in his system.
Posted by KingGator81
Member since Oct 2013
647 posts
Posted on 8/20/16 at 3:55 pm to
Just imagine how much worse we would've beat uga with competent QB play. Or just wait for this year's game.
Posted by roadGator
Member since Feb 2009
140079 posts
Posted on 8/20/16 at 4:32 pm to
quote:

Roper did so much better with Treon, imo.


Define so much better.

Completion %

2014 49
2015 50

He threw the ball over twice as much more last year than 2014. He threw for the same number of touchdowns though. He threw 6 INTs last year and 4 under Roper.

Treon was awful with our without Roper.

49% completion

49

percent

sucks
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