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re: Are you sold on McElwain at Florida?
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:42 pm to CNB
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:42 pm to CNB
I'm not saying he'll turn out to be Saban. In fact I'm 99% sure he won't be Saban caliber.
But I'm not sure why people keep acting like McElwain is an inevitable failure due to year 1. When his year 1 was better than Saban's.
If you adjust for the talent he inherited I think mcelwain's 10-4 was better than Meyer's opening 9-3 season. Especially since Meyer was pretty lucky to go 9-3 that year.
But I'm not sure why people keep acting like McElwain is an inevitable failure due to year 1. When his year 1 was better than Saban's.
If you adjust for the talent he inherited I think mcelwain's 10-4 was better than Meyer's opening 9-3 season. Especially since Meyer was pretty lucky to go 9-3 that year.
This post was edited on 8/19/16 at 1:45 pm
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Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:45 pm to tim85
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I honestly would take Driskel over Treon Harris any day of the week.
With Driskel in Macs offense and an average kicker, UF is a top 10 team last year and probably could've beat LSU or FSU.
I know the results don't show it, but schematically that offense was night and day from where it was two years ago. Open receivers up and down the field, just had a QB who couldn't read defense to save his life. The number of times McGee was running over the middle with nobody around and Treon couldn't see over the line and find him was infuriating.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:48 pm to UFFan
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If you adjust for the talent he inherited I think mcelwain's 10-4 was better than Meyer's opening 9-3 season. Especially since Meyer was pretty lucky to go 9-3 that year.
Nope
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:49 pm to UFFan
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If you adjust for the talent he inherited I think mcelwain's 10-4 was better than Meyer's opening 9-3 season. Especially since Meyer was pretty lucky to go 9-3 that year.
If Florida didn't start a cheater at QB for half the season, what is McElwain's record right now?
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:53 pm to CNB
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If Florida didn't start a cheater at QB for half the season, what is McElwain's record right now?
What if you were actually presenting decent arguments? What if I was a billionaire? Who the frick cares what if?
The only thing that matters is what did happen and it happened. As a fan I hate that he cheated because the guy was by all accounts, an absolutely elite talent -- but there was justice and he's lost a lot of time over it.
This post was edited on 8/19/16 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 8/19/16 at 1:55 pm to tim85
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What if you were actually presenting decent arguments? What if I was a billionaire? Who the frick cares what if?
What if you stopped posting?
#Nofricksgiventhatday
Posted on 8/19/16 at 2:00 pm to CNB
How is McElwain responsible for the cheating? I could at least see the argument if he caused the cheating somehow.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 2:01 pm to UFFan
If you think he didn't know anything about it, then you're either naive or a homer.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 2:10 pm to CNB
You seem very sold on Muschamp at South Carolina.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 2:11 pm to rmnldr
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Can he recruit top level offensive and defensive players? That's one of my biggest questions.
This is my only question also, I think he can coach as well as anyone. His recruiting has not been very impressive.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 2:12 pm to UFFan
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You seem very sold on Muschamp at South Carolina.
Actually, not at all. Don't know where you got that idea.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 2:14 pm to CNB
I can't believe how so many USC fans believe Muschamp is a better coach than McElwain.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 2:15 pm to UFFan
Quote to any of us saying that? I'll wait. 
Posted on 8/19/16 at 2:16 pm to CNB
Most coaches in the nick saban coaching tree are failures
Posted on 8/19/16 at 2:18 pm to CNB
I'm not sold yet. The end of 2015 was a shite show.
Of course, UF was really bad last year. And with Muschamp as head coach that was probably a 6 win team at best last year.
I like him more than Muschamp and Zook at this point, but that's not hard.
Of course, UF was really bad last year. And with Muschamp as head coach that was probably a 6 win team at best last year.
I like him more than Muschamp and Zook at this point, but that's not hard.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 2:22 pm to slayerxing
Pretty much that. A coach's 1st year as often as not doesn't show you a lot.
This post was edited on 8/19/16 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 8/19/16 at 2:22 pm to slayerxing
I don't think any sensible Gator fan is sold on McElwain after one season. But I do know that he is a drastic improvement over Muschamp. And no coach in the Sec could win with Treon at QB.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 2:22 pm to UFFan
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If you adjust for the talent he inherited I think mcelwain's 10-4 was better than Meyer's opening 9-3 season.
Let's look Florida's recruiting class rankings (24/7) the 3 years prior to the arrival of each, along with the first class they signed.
2002 - 10th
2003 - 1st
2004 - 5th
Average = 5.33
2005 - 12th (Meyer's first class)
2006 - 2nd (Meyer's second class)
2007 - 1st (Meyer's third class)
2012 - 4th
2013 - 3rd
2014 - 9th
Average = 5.33
2015 - 21st (McElwain's first class)
2016 - 13th (McElwain's second class)
2017 - ??? (McElwain's third class)
It looks like he should have inherited very similar talent to what Meyer got. Now, we know that there were a lot of losses during the transition. The real difference appears to be how quickly Meyer was able to add new talent. The unknown is, how well will McElwain recruit, especially if Florida takes a step back this season.
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Especially since Meyer was pretty lucky to go 9-3 that year.
Meyer's close wins in his first season included: 9 points over Tennessee; 4 points over Georgia; 7 points over Vanderbilt; 7 points over Iowa.
McElwain's close wins last season included: 7 points over Eastern Carolina; 5 points over Kentucky; 1 point over Tennessee; 2 points over Vanderbilt; 6 points (in overtime) over Florida Atlantic.
I think McElwain had much more luck going 10-4 last year than Meyer did going 9-3 in '05.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 2:24 pm to CNB
If he can get a solid offense going then I would be but that defense carried them last year in spite of their offense. Obviously the offense wasn't all his fault.
Posted on 8/19/16 at 2:25 pm to madmaxvol
All the stars and recruiting rankings you can find won't tell the real story of how depleted the Offensive line was. They didn't have enough bodies for the spring game last season. He was forced to find a O lineman from Hofstra. Who by the way started for the Gators. Muschamp left the Offensive side of the ball virtually talentless.
This post was edited on 8/19/16 at 2:33 pm
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