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re: Anyone else think the Playoff will be disastrous?
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:47 pm to cattus
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:47 pm to cattus
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this system is not conducive to competitive rematches, they left everything on the field cause everyone thought it was for all the marbles.
Bama is better than Auburn but lost their shot
Are we or are we not interested in finding out who the best team is? I mean, for me, yeah, that's what I want to see. I don't care if teams have a rematch -- if next year, Florida beats Alabama (I know, a joke) and Florida gets to the SEC CG -with- Bama, should they not be able to play again? Should Bama just concede the SEC CG? I don't think so.
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Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:47 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Anyone else think the Playoff will be disastrous?
No
Generally including the top three or four conference champs is a badly needed improvement for most television viewers. If only one region of the country is pleased with teh selection process the sport loses credibility with the parts of the country who are not equally represented.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:48 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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And they're going to be chosen over a 1 loss Ohio State, Auburn, Alabama, FSU, Oregon, Stanford or any other big name school?
They'd go over Oregon, Auburn, Stanford, yes. Absolutely. Oklahoma, Ohio State, Michigan, USC, tu, and a few others might get it, but an undefeated Notre Dame will go every single time without fail.
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I can't imagine someone not even playing an extra game is going to jump a team that won a conference and is ranked 4th just to get Notre Dame in and if you don't see a problem with that you're delusional.
What if that one loss is to Notre Dame? USC has won the Pac-10 multiple times and still lost to Notre Dame. Same for Michigan. Same for Miami. Same for Oklahoma.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:48 pm to molsusports
if the playoff is expanded to 16 teams, reduce the regular season to 11 games....
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:49 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
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Yes, because the second they prefer conference champs over better teams it loses all credibility.
So you don't think a round-robin divisional tournament with a championship game between division winners is a good way to determine a champion?
Really?
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:50 pm to TeLeFaWx
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They'd go over Oregon, Auburn, Stanford, yes. Absolutely. Oklahoma, Ohio State, Michigan, USC, tu, and a few others might get it, but an undefeated Notre Dame will go every single time without fail.
So an undefeated Notre Dame should take the place of which of these teams: Auburn, MSU or Baylor? And how do we pick which one? By their BCS ranking?
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:51 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Let's put it this way, this year, AU, FSU, MSU and Baylor
I don't think anyone can make an argument for why Bama shouldn't go in the place of MSU or even Baylor while they're simultaneously ranked lower (or ought to be).
the argument would be the same as why you don't include multiple AFC teams and fewer NFC teams when there are more good teams from the AFC.
They don't do that in the NFL even tho the NFL is a much more level playing field built to result in relative parity with a lot more meaningful games between different groups (so the comparisons between conferences/divisions are easier to make)
Including the top four conference champs is a pretty logical thing to do most years. We're only talking about two more games at maximum. Even if the best two teams in the country in 2009 were Florida and Alabama they have already gone through their conference playoff to select the best representative.
This post was edited on 12/8/13 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:52 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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So you don't think a round-robin divisional tournament with a championship game between division winners is a good way to determine a champion?
Slaying straw dragons today, I see.
If the SEC just happens to produce two of the best teams in the country (Alabama and Auburn) just because the best beat the best we ought to arbitrarily cut them out of the deal?
No, an MSU or Baylor is more deserving than an Alabama? This is insanity.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:53 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Are we or are we not interested in finding out who the best team is?
There is no fair way to do that objectively with 100+ teams in a 12-16 game season.
So you either have a vote on who selected people think the best team is (like CFB has done it for almost 100 years), or you do it like every other sport does it and have conference winners play a tournament and determine who the Champion is.
Champion =/= "best team"
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:54 pm to AllBamaDoesIsWin
quote:In your point of view. As an Alabama fan, you're viewing your team as one of the top 4, and thus deserving IN YOUR OPINION, whether you win the SEC or not. That's not going to happen. There are too many fans, too many viewers, who want to see their own teams get into the mix. It's the reason this will be decided by committee, not by a formula.
Yes, because the second they prefer conference champs over better teams it loses all credibility.
And it's still really quite simple; you want to win a national title, win your conference first. If the rest of the field is as weak as people claim, the SEC rep should roll through them.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:54 pm to molsusports
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the argument would be the same as why you don't include multiple AFC teams and fewer NFC teams when there are more good teams from the AFC.
The contrast between the conferences is too severe to just call it at that. Florida and Alabama can play in the regular season next year, and in the SEC CG. You don't just cancel the SEC CG because the teams have already played before and 'settled it'. Playing twice a year for coaches to readjust their gameplan is better because they -are the best teams available-, you don't put a Hawai'i or Boise State in that place just because.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:56 pm to Scoob
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And it's still really quite simple; you want to win a national title, win your conference first. If the rest of the field is as weak as people claim, the SEC rep should roll through them.
Did Notre Dame win their conference last year?
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:56 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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So an undefeated Notre Dame should take the place of which of these teams: Auburn, MSU or Baylor? And how do we pick which one? By their BCS ranking?
Are you really this dense? That's not the way the committee will look at it. FSU, Notre Dame would be the locks, and Auburn/MSU/Baylor would be fighting for the final two. Putting in an undefeated Notre Dame wouldn't even be a question.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:57 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Did Notre Dame win their conference last year?
No, and they were still ranked about an Alabama team that did. What is so hard for you to understand here?
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:58 pm to Scoob
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And it's still really quite simple; you want to win a national title, win your conference first. If the rest of the field is as weak as people claim, the SEC rep should roll through them.
Ding ding ding.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:58 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Are you really this dense? That's not the way the committee will look at it. FSU, Notre Dame would be the locks, and Auburn/MSU/Baylor would be fighting for the final two. Putting in an undefeated Notre Dame wouldn't even be a question.
So who gets the shaft, then? MSU or Baylor? Why does one deserve it over the other?
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:58 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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The contrast between the conferences is too severe to just call it at that.
The SEC has been generally very poor out of conference this year.
best ooc opponents:
FSU blew out Florida
Oregon blew out Tennessee
Oklahoma State blew out MSU
Clemson beat UGA
Middling matchups:
Rutgers beat Arkansas
Miami beat Florida
Vandy beat Wake Forest
good results:
USC beat Clemson (both second ranked in their division in bad divisions)
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:58 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Are we or are we not interested in finding out who the best team is?
if you want to know who the best team is then maybe it should be the best 2 out of 3. Bama and LSU went 1-1.
The BCS system was set up to put the "best" 2 teams together..that's a myth. It was to pit 1 vs 2.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:59 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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So who gets the shaft, then? MSU or Baylor? Why does one deserve it over the other?
I don't know, they'll look at the resume and have a debate, but Notre Dame won't be up for debate. Do you really not think this is the case? How old are you?
Posted on 12/8/13 at 3:59 pm to cattus
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Are we or are we not interested in finding out who the best team is?
if you want to know who the best team is then maybe it should be the best 2 out of 3.
exactly
don't do single elimination mulligans if that's your premise.
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