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re: Anyone else think the Playoff will be disastrous?
Posted on 12/8/13 at 4:22 pm to TeLeFaWx
Posted on 12/8/13 at 4:22 pm to TeLeFaWx
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Your list of complaints aren't changing with the playoff, and have been here with the current system... How old are you?
Aren't we installing the playoff system specifically to give more teams a shot at the title? Seriously, why play at all if you have zero chance of being selected for the biggest game?
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Posted on 12/8/13 at 4:25 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Aren't we installing the playoff system specifically to give more teams a shot at the title? Seriously, why play at all if you have zero chance of being selected for the biggest game?
The only people that have zero chance are the ones that currently have zero chance... undefeateds from non-power conferences. An undefeated Notre Dame will absolutely NEVER be left out. Seriously how old are you?
Posted on 12/8/13 at 4:25 pm to TeLeFaWx
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And I said, I don't know with certainty, but those three teams will not be all in over an undefeated Notre Dame. Why can't you understand that?
No one is saying that Notre Dame should be left out, I'm asking: Who should be left out because of their inclusion. You're. Retarded.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 4:25 pm to Bench McElroy
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MLB's regular season isn't devalued at all.
Yes it is.
Let's go back to the STL Cardinals for proof of this.
In 2004 the Cardinals won a major league best 105 regular season games but were beaten out by a wild card Red Sox team that qualified for the post season and knocked out the Yankees team that had been better than them over the course of a 162 game season.
The 2006 Cardinals won a measly 83 games over the course of a 162 game season. But went on to get hot and beat several teams that were more deserving over the course of a 162 game season.
And talking up 90 wins as an impressive win total when you include the playoff games is stupid. Winning 83 of 162 is a winning percentage of only 51.2%
Posted on 12/8/13 at 4:26 pm to Evolved Simian
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The sole reason for having wild card teams is because...
...money.
If you think it's not, you're a fool.
90 year MLB went without 'wildcard' teams. It was always understood that if you wanted to advance to the big game, you'd have to win your conference.
Muligans = $, that's all.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 4:27 pm to TeLeFaWx
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The only people that have zero chance are the ones that currently have zero chance... undefeateds from non-power conferences. An undefeated Notre Dame will absolutely NEVER be left out. Seriously how old are you?
What you're referring to is a comment that someone else put that only conference champions should be involved, and I said that Notre Dame can't win their conference.
Seriously, how stupid are you?
Posted on 12/8/13 at 4:31 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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What you're referring to is a comment that someone else put that only conference champions should be involved, and I said that Notre Dame can't win their conference.
So you're now admitting that Notre Dame will make it?
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Seriously, how stupid are you?
How old are you? I'm just curious.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 4:34 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
quote:Now you're getting warm; I would lay odds that this was the wording that prompted the move from the BCS to the playoffs. The thing you aren't getting (maybe willfully)- this came out of the mouths of Jim Delaney and the other big conference commissioners, very soon after Bama beat LSU, as well as veiled (or open) threats to pull out and go back to the Rose Bowl. It wasn't to allow Alabama (or any other SEC team) to have a 2nd chance, it is meant to give the other guys their chance.
Aren't we installing the playoff system specifically to give more teams a shot at the title? Seriously, why play at all if you have zero chance of being selected for the biggest game?
Get your head out of the sand. This committee won't be SEC-friendly. Not only are we NOT getting a second team in, you better hope our champ is clearly deserving of one of the top 2 seeds. If we're in a scrum for 4th with other big-name teams, we might see what 7 years' worth of resentment can do to our team.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 4:35 pm to TeLeFaWx
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So you're now admitting that Notre Dame will make it?
Do you have any idea what a Socratic question is? The question is meant to denounce the premise: ''Only Conference winners should go''.
That's it.
Seriously, how stupid are you?
Posted on 12/8/13 at 4:35 pm to Evolved Simian
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No, because they didn't win their division.
It was kind of a travesty, and worked to water down the NFL product.
Much like Bama worked to water down conference championships.
The truly remarkable thing to me in all of this are the Alabama fans crying to allow for mulligans. You'd think that with their rich history of a multitude of conference championships, they would be on the side of a tournament of champions.
I would fully expect fans of such a great program as Alabama's to be above the fray, to be above giving another chance to second place finishers. As many championships as Alabama has, I would thin a tournament of champions would appeal to them.
I'm starting to think that the vast majority of the Tide fan base doesn't deserve as great a program as the University of Alabama football program represents. They seem to have too much of a petty loser mentality. Generally speaking, of course.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 4:36 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
it isn't the same thing if one team can't win their conference because they don't belong to one and the other team being compared didn't win their conference because they lost games they needed to win.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 4:36 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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What's wrong with choosing the Top 4 teams every year?
It's subjective and therefore inherently unfair.
Duh.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 4:38 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Do you have any idea what a Socratic question is? The question is meant to denounce the premise: ''Only Conference winners should go''.
That's not the premise you've been framing, and that isn't what has been presented by any party. No one has said only conference winners will go, or implied that. You're putting that question out there to act as if teams dont' have a shot at winning the national title. They have twice as much chance as they do now, and then some.
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Seriously, how stupid are you?
How old are you?
Posted on 12/8/13 at 4:38 pm to Scoob
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Now you're getting warm;
Oh no, I know exactly what this is about. I know this isn't made to help the SEC, but I also know that we're devaluing football by doing it this way. This isn't a way to find out who the best team at the end of the year is, it's a way to give people a chance at the NCG without having the SEC represented.
But, if we were to just pick the top four teams I think the debate would be much less (although people would still try). There is no good way to do a four way playoff, we're going to have to change something.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 4:38 pm to cattus
quote:8 teams would cause the same problems as a 4 team but there would be even more teams that can argue they should be in the top 8.
the concerns are valid. picking 4 teams this year would cause a lot of butt hurt.
an 8 team playoff at minimum is coming.
Plus as you expand the number of teams the more games will be played and teams will start doing like HS teams and hold their best players out more to make it in the playoffs. Also it takes away from the importance of the regular season like the NFL does.
The only real way to cut down on the problems and keep the season meaningful is to go to the super conferences with only a few conferences. Possibly 4 with no wildcard spots. That way you only play 1 more game than now and the same a the 4 team playoff and no one will have a legit argument for being left out if they lose. There is never any problem with who should be playing for the SEC and that would be how the playoff would be as well with that system. Then let the Bowl sponsor the playoff games and smaller ones choose teams that isn't in the finals.
This post was edited on 12/8/13 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 12/8/13 at 4:39 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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It was kind of a travesty, and worked to water down the NFL product.
Much like Bama worked to water down conference championships.
The truly remarkable thing to me in all of this are the Alabama fans crying to allow for mulligans. You'd think that with their rich history of a multitude of conference championships, they would be on the side of a tournament of champions.
I would fully expect fans of such a great program as Alabama's to be above the fray, to be above giving another chance to second place finishers. As many championships as Alabama has, I would thin a tournament of champions would appeal to them.
I'm starting to think that the vast majority of the Tide fan base doesn't deserve as great a program as the University of Alabama football program represents. They seem to have too much of a petty loser mentality. Generally speaking, of course.
Well done.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 4:41 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
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Oh no, I know exactly what this is about. I know this isn't made to help the SEC, but I also know that we're devaluing football by doing it this way.
Stupid.
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This isn't a way to find out who the best team at the end of the year is, it's a way to give people a chance at the NCG without having the SEC represented.
No it isn't. It's in part a reaction to having a system that allowed ONLY the SEC to be represented, but the SEC will always be represented. You're a fool to think otherwise.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 4:42 pm to molsusports
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In 2004 the Cardinals won a major league best 105 regular season games but were beaten out by a wild card Red Sox team that qualified for the post season and knocked out the Yankees team that had been better than them over the course of a 162 game season.
The wild card Red Sox team that you're talking about won 98 games and had a +181 run differential that year. It's like saying the NFL regular season was devalued in 1990 because a 14-win 49ers team lost to a 13-win Giants team in the conference championship game that year. Yes, the 49ers were technically the better regular season team but it wasn't by much. The gap between the Yankees and Red Sox were really close that year. Actually, the Red Sox were the better team. Their run differential was more than two times better than the Yankees. The Yankees were just much more fortunate winning their close games. A 98-win Red Sox team beating a 101-win Yankees team in the playoffs is not a good example of the MLB regular season being devalued.
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The 2006 Cardinals won a measly 83 games over the course of a 162 game season. But went on to get hot and beat several teams that were more deserving over the course of a 162 game season.
And that was a complete fluke and aberration. It's still the only time a team with fewer than 90 wins has won the World Series since the 2000 Yankees.
Posted on 12/8/13 at 4:42 pm to StrawsDrawnAtRandom
quote:I don't think the playoffs themselves will be disastrous but I do believe they will change college football as we know it. Inter-sectional/good non-conference games will go away. Why risk a loss if you have a committee deciding whether or not you are 4th or 5th? I don't know if going to 9 conference games is a good idea with this playoff make up. Need to keep playing 8 plus 4 cupcakes.
Anyone else think the Playoff will be disastrous?
Posted on 12/8/13 at 4:43 pm to Rabern57
Using the top four conference champs as entrants to the cfb playoff has a certain logic to it that is pretty awesome.
Going to the top 8 teams after auto-qualifying the top five conference champs is actually shakier logic IMO. You'll end up with more subjectivity when it comes to who qualifies as an at large (that will inevitably favor name programs unless they use a computer ranking). You'll also eventually end up with a team winning it all that has four or five losses (making the devaluation of the regular season pretty near complete).
Going to the top 8 teams after auto-qualifying the top five conference champs is actually shakier logic IMO. You'll end up with more subjectivity when it comes to who qualifies as an at large (that will inevitably favor name programs unless they use a computer ranking). You'll also eventually end up with a team winning it all that has four or five losses (making the devaluation of the regular season pretty near complete).
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