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re: All-time rankings of SEC teams
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:40 am to USMC Gators
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:40 am to USMC Gators
Of course it's subjective, there's no official formula for this sort of thing, every single type of this thing ever is going to have flaws.
But all in all I think this one is pretty solid, I mean, is it really a big surprise that these fancy metric tell you the most successful programs have been Alabama, USC, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, etc.
But all in all I think this one is pretty solid, I mean, is it really a big surprise that these fancy metric tell you the most successful programs have been Alabama, USC, Oklahoma, Notre Dame, etc.
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:41 am to aggressor
One thing to also mention is that this particular website uses the official results, so things like forfeits and win vacates ARE taken into account.
Other sites I've seen run these metrics don't care about them and use the on the field results.
Other sites I've seen run these metrics don't care about them and use the on the field results.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:42 am to USMC Gators
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LSU also gets 4 though - 1908, 58, 2003, 07. Remember too that an AP/BCS/Coaches title is worth 50 points, while something else (1938 and 50 for UT, 1908 for LSU) are only worth 15 points.
So, some National Titles are more important than others? That seems a bit retarted.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:43 am to aggressor
That website recognizes 14 of Alabama's 15 titles (excludes 1941 of course).
It recognizes 4 LSU titles, when LSU only claims 3. It gives them credit for 1908 which they strangely don't officially claim.
It recognizes 4 LSU titles, when LSU only claims 3. It gives them credit for 1908 which they strangely don't officially claim.
This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 12:47 pm
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:45 am to BigOrangeBri
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So, some National Titles are more important than others? That seems a bit retarted.
Well, for the better part of the last century the AP and Coaches poll were considered the two "major" polls.
By the 1970's nobody was claiming anything BUT those two.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:14 pm to USMC Gators
Alabama schedule points 899.20
LSU schedule points 892.06
LSU schedule points 892.06
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:24 pm to IAmReality
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That website recognizes 14 of Alabama's 15 titles (exluces 1941 of course).
It recognizes 4 LSU titles, when LSU only claims 3. It gives them credit for 1908 which they strangely don't officially claim.
It recognizes 3 for Auburn: 1913, 1957, and 2010. I wish AU would go ahead and claim 1913. That was a very good team.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:26 pm to wdeinttown
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I wish AU would go ahead and claim 1913. That was a very good team.
They were unstoppable. I watched highlight videos from that season a few days ago and I've never seen anything like that team.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:29 pm to GeorgeReymond
Lol
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:30 pm to GeorgeReymond
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They were unstoppable. I watched highlight videos from that season a few days ago and I've never seen anything like that team.
FU
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:39 pm to wdeinttown
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:42 pm to elposter
I have always felt that CFB criteria is legit.
When I started looking at it a decade ago, LSU was 14 I think. As I look at the list, it's hard to argue with a lot.
When I started looking at it a decade ago, LSU was 14 I think. As I look at the list, it's hard to argue with a lot.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:45 pm to GeorgeReymond
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I wish AU would go ahead and claim 1913. That was a very good team.
They were unstoppable. I watched highlight videos from that season a few days ago and I've never seen anything like that team.
Didn't they get stripped of the 1913 title? Something about illegal rides in horseless carriages while drinkin chock with a bushwacker named Buckskin.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:46 pm to BigOrangeBri
October 3, 1908 Young Men's Gymnastic Club-New Orleans* State Field • Baton Rouge, LA W 41–0
October 11, 1908 Jackson Barracks-New Orleans* State Field • Baton Rouge, LA W 81–5
October 17, 1908 vs. Texas A&M New Orleans, LA W 26–0
October 26, 1908 Southwestern Tennessee* State Field • Baton Rouge, LA W 55–0
October 31, 1908 at Auburn Auburn, AL (Auburn LSU rivalry) W 10–2
November 7, 1908 Mississippi A&M (Mississippi State) State Field • Baton Rouge, LA W 50–0
November 10, 1908 Baylor* State Field • Baton Rouge, LA W 89–0
November 16, 1908 vs. Haskell* New Orleans, Louisiana W 32–0
November 23, 1908 at Louisiana Tech* Ruston, LA W 22–0
November 26, 1908 vs. Arkansas* Little Rock, AR W 36–4
I'm still pissed we gave up TWO safeties to The Flagship in 08.
October 11, 1908 Jackson Barracks-New Orleans* State Field • Baton Rouge, LA W 81–5
October 17, 1908 vs. Texas A&M New Orleans, LA W 26–0
October 26, 1908 Southwestern Tennessee* State Field • Baton Rouge, LA W 55–0
October 31, 1908 at Auburn Auburn, AL (Auburn LSU rivalry) W 10–2
November 7, 1908 Mississippi A&M (Mississippi State) State Field • Baton Rouge, LA W 50–0
November 10, 1908 Baylor* State Field • Baton Rouge, LA W 89–0
November 16, 1908 vs. Haskell* New Orleans, Louisiana W 32–0
November 23, 1908 at Louisiana Tech* Ruston, LA W 22–0
November 26, 1908 vs. Arkansas* Little Rock, AR W 36–4
I'm still pissed we gave up TWO safeties to The Flagship in 08.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:48 pm to wdeinttown
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It recognizes 3 for Auburn: 1913, 1957, and 2010. I wish AU would go ahead and claim 1913. That was a very good team.
I'm of the opinion LSU should claim 1908 and Auburn should claim 1913, when you're talking titles that old they're hard to get a handle on, however plenty of other schools claim titles from that era. Heck, the vast majority of Michigan's claims are super old ones.
Most schools tend to claim as many as they can. People like to mock Alabama but really they only claim one BS one (1941).
This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:55 pm to GeorgeReymond
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:56 pm to dchunk
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Didn't they get stripped of the 1913 title? Something about illegal rides in horseless carriages while drinkin chock with a bushwacker named Buckskin.
That's just hearsay.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 12:59 pm to IAmReality
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I'm of the opinion LSU should claim 1908 and Auburn should claim 1913, when you're talking titles that old they're hard to get a handle on, however plenty of other schools claim titles from that era. Heck, the vast majority of Michigan's claims are super old ones.
Most schools tend to claim as many as they can. People like to mock Alabama but really they only claim one BS one (1941).
The worst offenders are Michigan and Pittsburgh.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 1:07 pm to DaleDenton
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That site takes into account, and credits equally "accomplishment" Pre-WWII. LSU was the most feared program in the 90s, no one wanted to play them. LSU wasn't the last new SEC-W team to make it to the SEC-CG.
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DaleDenton
Had Arky been in SEC all those years rather than Private School League. they would be ahead of only Aggies, Vandy, State and Mizzou.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 1:10 pm to USMC Gators
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I'm of the opinion LSU should claim 1908 and Auburn should claim 1913, when you're talking titles that old they're hard to get a handle on, however plenty of other schools claim titles from that era. Heck, the vast majority of Michigan's claims are super old ones. Most schools tend to claim as many as they can. People like to mock Alabama but really they only claim one BS one (1941).
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The worst offenders are Michigan and Pittsburgh.
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USMC Gators
Give the Oklahoma Sooners credit, they only claim the 7 AP/UPI-BCS titles they were awarded.
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