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re: All-time rankings of SEC teams
Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:58 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:58 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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I have always had two problems with those rankings:
1. National championship points. What is their formula? Is it 15 points per selector with arbitrary selectors chosen? Not to mention the random selectivity of mythical NCs anyway where so much depends on so many random variables.
2. Major bowls. Too subjective, too much of a popularity contest. Too much past conference tie-ins influence it. Too many other random variables. For example, bama went to some of their Rose Bowls back in the 20's or 30's because other teams (often better teams) did not even want to go and turned down the offer. Then you have the bowls like the Capital One and Outback that often have better teams in them than the BCS bowls. Totally useless stat in the formula.
IMO, the formula is simply too flawed to be taken seriously as 2/4 components are EXTREMELY subjective and often not even related to what happens on the field.
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Take the winning percentage and SOS and you have a 10x better formula.
I'll get on that.
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Posted on 7/30/13 at 10:59 am to USMC Gators
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Where did the extra points come from? A couple of months ago, we were only 7 points behind UG (1777-1770).
They updated their site a few weeks ago after putting in this past season's results.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:00 am to DaleDenton
I see that UGA has the highest "schedule points", is that a pure "Strength of Schedule" ranking?
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:01 am to USMC Gators
LSU will be atleast #7 within the next few years
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:02 am to Choctaw
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LSU will be atleast #7 within the next few years
Not with 5 loss 2013 season you won't.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:03 am to Crompdaddy8
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Not with 5 loss 2013 season you won't.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:03 am to Bmath
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Bmath
All-time rankings of SEC teams
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"But LSU has only been good at football since Saban got here"
I know you are making this comment in jest, but I love when ignorant opposing fans say this.
Sure LSU had a roller coaster of ups and downs in the 80s-90s, but LSU football actually has a rich tradition.
BEFORE the year 2000, LSU was
- #12 nationally in # of NCAA victories all-time
- #10 nationally in # of bowl appearances all-time
And even though we were rather inconsistent from 1981-1999, we still managed, during that particular time frame, to go to 9 bowl games (3 NYD), finish ranked 8 times (3 in Top 10).
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:04 am to USMC Gators
Winning percentage + SOS
1. Bama 1611
2. UGA 1566
3. LSU 1540
4. AU 1536
5. UT 1514
6. UF 1468
Much more representative of on the field actual results IMO.
1. Bama 1611
2. UGA 1566
3. LSU 1540
4. AU 1536
5. UT 1514
6. UF 1468
Much more representative of on the field actual results IMO.
This post was edited on 7/30/13 at 11:05 am
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:04 am to beaver
Well, in the first 69 years of the SEC's existence LSU won 7 Titles so it isn't exactly a stretch to say most of LSU's accomplishments have been since Saban. Prior to that LSU was a generally good team with one Natty in '58.
It's a fair list but I would probably put weight on conference titles. Still, A&M is generally a Top 15-20 program all time. We were really good up until WWII and then were generally terrible in the Post WWII era (outside of a few seasons) until scholarship limitations were implemented and we went co-ed. In the end the future is what matters though.
It's a fair list but I would probably put weight on conference titles. Still, A&M is generally a Top 15-20 program all time. We were really good up until WWII and then were generally terrible in the Post WWII era (outside of a few seasons) until scholarship limitations were implemented and we went co-ed. In the end the future is what matters though.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:05 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
And the Big Six remains the same
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:06 am to Crompdaddy8
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Crompdaddy8
All-time rankings of SEC teams
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FIFY
Tennessee will be at least #13 within the next few years
With 5-loss 2013 and 2014 seasons.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:06 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Winning percentage + SOS
1. Bama 1611
2. UGA 1566
3. LSU 1540
4. AU 1536
5. UT 1514
6. UF 1468
Much more representative of on the field actual results IMO.
yeah...because all those conference and national championships should definitely have UGA ahead of LSU
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:07 am to USMC Gators
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1. National championship points. What is their formula? Is it 15 points per selector with arbitrary selectors chosen? Not to mention the random selectivity of mythical NCs anyway where so much depends on so many random variables.
50 points are assigned for being awarded a national championship from the AP Poll, Coaches Poll, and the Bowl Championship Series. 15 points are awarded (1900-current) for all other National Championships recognized by this site in addition to the lower division National Championships.
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2. Major bowls. Too subjective, too much of a popularity contest. Too much past conference tie-ins influence it. Too many other random variables. For example, bama went to some of their Rose Bowls back in the 20's or 30's because other teams (often better teams) did not even want to go and turned down the offer. Then you have the bowls like the Capital One and Outback that often have better teams in them than the BCS bowls. Totally useless stat in the formula.
Only the traditional Big 4 Bowls are utilized for this category. Winning in the Big 4 Bowls as well number of times played in a Big 4 Bowl (capped at 20 games) are criteria for points.
1901 (season) - Current Rose Bowl
1934 (season) - Current Orange Bowl
1934 (season) - Current Sugar Bowl
1936 (season) - 1991 (season) Cotton Bowl
1986, 1988, 1992 (seasons) - current Fiesta Bowl
Note: The 1986 and 1988 Fiesta Bowl Games are included due to the consideration those (2) games were National Championship Games played by Independents.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:07 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
Interesting note:
Toughest schedules in NCCA history accoring to site:
1. Michigan 932
2. UGA 919
3. AU 906
No other team in the 125 teams listed reaches 900 points on SOS.
Toughest schedules in NCCA history accoring to site:
1. Michigan 932
2. UGA 919
3. AU 906
No other team in the 125 teams listed reaches 900 points on SOS.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:08 am to aggressor
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Prior to that LSU was a generally good team with one Natty in '58.
and one in 1908.....and we could actually have some claim to '35 and '36
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:09 am to Choctaw
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yeah...because all those conference and national championships should definitely have UGA ahead of LSU
UGA is ahead of LSU because they won more games against tougher competition. LSU loses some bonus points for backing into a NC with 2 losses due to a miniscule computer margin.
What I posted is a better representation of what has happened in games played on the field, period.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:12 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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3. AU 906
That's probably due to all the times Auburn had to play Top 5 Georgia and Alabama teams.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:12 am to MetryTyger
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BEFORE the year 2000, LSU was - #12 nationally in # of NCAA victories all-time - #10 nationally in # of bowl appearances all-time And even though we were rather inconsistent from 1981-1999, we still managed, during that particular time frame, to go to 9 bowl games (3 NYD), finish ranked 8 times (3 in Top 10).
Thanks for providing stats for my argument.
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:13 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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UGA is ahead of LSU because they won more games against tougher competition.
except championships
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LSU loses some bonus points for backing into a NC with 2 losses due to a miniscule computer margin.
did you forget our other championships?
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What I posted is a better representation of what has happened in games played on the field, period.
ok...derrrrr
Posted on 7/30/13 at 11:18 am to Crompdaddy8
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cfb data warehouse is the ONLY site that ranks LSU ahead of UT. they use some weird arse formula with "schedule points" taking up nearly half of total points.
Yeah, this list is a joke. UT is 8th all time in wins and leads Lsu by 56 games, who is ranked 11th. UT has 2 more SEC titles. UT has been to 49 bowl games (3rd all time) and won 25. Lsu has been to 5 less bowl games and has 22 wins.
Also UT leads the series against Lsu 20-9-3
Again, list is sh!t.
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