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re: Alabama Fans, when we win "#16" can we just keep the claim at 15?
Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:27 am to MontyFranklyn
Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:27 am to MontyFranklyn
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You can never know who would truly win any of these games, you can only guess
Right, so you have to go with the rules of the time. You win a national title by being number 1 in a major poll. We can debate whether a poll is legit (like the Houlgate in 1941), but you can't argue the legitimacy of a title you didn't win. If we weren't ranked #1, we weren't the national champions.
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Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:27 am to GIbson05
It's not about "claiming", it's about acknowledging reputable awards. If there was a reputable organization, such as the AP or UPI, that awarded your team a national championship trophy for a given season, you should acknowledge it. If not, don't.
What you don't do is look at past schedules and results and decide if you think that team was worthy of a championship.
It's not too hard, I'm not sure why Alabama fans have such a problem with this concept.
What you don't do is look at past schedules and results and decide if you think that team was worthy of a championship.
It's not too hard, I'm not sure why Alabama fans have such a problem with this concept.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:27 am to cajunbama
I'm just happy my six year old lab has seen more titles than most every other team in the country. 
Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:29 am to AHM21
Yep. 10 major poll titles since 1936 as well.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:29 am to GIbson05
Bama's claim to the 1973 national title makes as much sense as LSU saying it was the 2011 national champion based on its udefeated regular season. Bama was voted the 1973 UPI champion after the regular season, but before it lost to undefeated and eventual post-bowl AP national champion Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl. There is no one that thinks Bama was the true national champion that year except delusional Bama homers.
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 11:31 am
Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:29 am to slackster
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Fair enough but the Rose Bowl trophy is not a major selector in the eyes of the NCAA.
You're right, but most of the press/media portrayed the game as the equivalent of a National Championship game back in those times. As TheDude's post above shows a newspaper declaring the Bama as winners of the "National Grid Title" after winning the Rose Bowl in '26. The United Press called the 1927 Rose Bowl, between Stanford and Alabama, "the football championship of America"; and as the game resulted in a 29-29 tie, Stanford and Bama pretty much shared the title that year, one that both schools claim...
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 12:07 pm
Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:32 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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It's not about "claiming", it's about acknowledging reputable awards. If there was a reputable organization, such as the AP or UPI, that awarded your team a national championship trophy for a given season, you should acknowledge it. If not, don't.
What you don't do is look at past schedules and results and decide if you think that team was worthy of a championship.
It's not too hard, I'm not sure why Alabama fans have such a problem with this concept.
EXACTLY.
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Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:33 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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It's not about "claiming", it's about acknowledging reputable awards. If there was a reputable organization, such as the AP or UPI, that awarded your team a national championship trophy for a given season, you should acknowledge it. If not, don't.
What you don't do is look at past schedules and results and decide if you think that team was worthy of a championship.
It's not too hard, I'm not sure why Alabama fans have such a problem with this concept.
Well, you have to consider 2 things:
1. The timing and motivation for the claims. The claims were first made by a bama SID in 1984. This was two years after the Bear retired, after AU had beaten bama two years in a row, and just completed a season in which AU was likely the best team in the country. The balance of power had shifted in the state and AU would go on to win 3 more SEC titles in the decade while bama would win zero. Bama latched onto the bogus claims to try to make themselves feel better about what was happening and try and promote bama (even though it was a lie).
2. Gumps are simple minded and will support any lie if they think it is beneficial to bama football, integrity be damned.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:34 am to Crimson Legend
True
This post was edited on 1/5/16 at 11:42 am
Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:35 am to el gato
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Bama's claim to the 1973 national title makes as much sense as LSU saying it was the 2011 national champion based on its udefeated regular season. Bama was voted the 1973 UPI champion after the regular season, but before it lost to undefeated and eventual post-bowl AP national champion Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl.
Do you not think before you post? That is the way the fricking titles were awarded. UPI handed theirs out before the game and AP afterwards. LSU/Bama was a BCS title game so just no....
Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:35 am to el gato
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There is no one that thinks Bama was the true national champion that year except delusional Bama homers.
And the UPI who awarded Bama the championship.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:42 am to cajunbama
whereas the UPI title in '73 was certainly "legit," no Alabama fan worth his or her salt thought of the Tide as "the 1973 National Champion" after that Sugar Bowl loss to Notre Dame. Great game and great team, but trust me , no Tide fan said "We're #1."
Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:44 am to Tiger n Miami AU83
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It's not about "claiming", it's about acknowledging reputable awards. If there was a reputable organization, such as the AP or UPI, that awarded your team a national championship trophy for a given season, you should acknowledge it. If not, don't.
What you don't do is look at past schedules and results and decide if you think that team was worthy of a championship.
It's not too hard, I'm not sure why Alabama fans have such a problem with this concept.
Well, you have to consider 2 things:
1. The timing and motivation for the claims. The claims were first made by a bama SID in 1984. This was two years after the Bear retired, after AU had beaten bama two years in a row, and just completed a season in which AU was likely the best team in the country. The balance of power had shifted in the state and AU would go on to win 3 more SEC titles in the decade while bama would win zero. Bama latched onto the bogus claims to try to make themselves feel better about what was happening and try and promote bama (even though it was a lie).
2. Gumps are simple minded and will support any lie if they think it is beneficial to bama football, integrity be damned.
No, once again you miss the point. If you take the reasonable and consistent view that was spelled out above, you DON'T have to consider your two SUBJECTIVE AND BIASED OPINIONS. You accept the title that is awarded and the only argument is whether the organization awarding it is legitimate. Otherwise, we get into the nonsense of a moronic homer fan trying to claim that his team deserved all sorts of championships back in 83 and 2004.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:44 am to el gato
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Bama was voted the 1973 UPI champion after the regular season, but before it lost to undefeated and eventual post-bowl AP national champion Notre Dame in the Sugar Bowl.
I'll agree that ND was, without a doubt, the true champion in '73...but as for Bama claiming it, show me one school that does not claim a poll title (AP or Coaches) they were awarded, regardless of whether it was awarded pre-bowl. Oklahoma, Tennessee, Maryland, Minnesota, Michigan State, and Texas (there may be more) all claim AP/UPI titles which were awarded prior to losing bowl games...and Notre Dame used to refuse to play in bowl games, from 1926 to 1970 I think, so all of their championships in that time frame came without bowl victories...
Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:51 am to OldPete
He can't because if a school is awarded an AP or UPI title, they claim it. The butthurt L5U and Auburn fans should take it up with them. 
Posted on 1/5/16 at 11:59 am to GIbson05
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Seriously can we just drop claiming 1941. It makes ZERO sense
I agree with you 100%. The 41 claim is stupid. I just go with the AP titles, even though that does take away from the pre AP teams, which in most cases isn't fair. But it's still a great number, but the sidewalks look at me cross eyed.
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:03 pm to MindRiot
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:30 pm to GIbson05
i've always wondered why you guys claim 1941.
wtf is up with that anyway?
the others i can see. pre poll era undefeated seasons and either coaches and/or ap champs after that, but 1941...????
wtf is up with that anyway?
the others i can see. pre poll era undefeated seasons and either coaches and/or ap champs after that, but 1941...????
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:36 pm to GIbson05
Why don't you just get a T shirt printed and personalized saying you don't recognize 1941 but "come at me Bro, for any other titles claimed" ? 
Posted on 1/5/16 at 12:45 pm to Tiger n Miami AU83
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Well, you have to consider 2 things:
1. The timing and motivation for the claims...
WHAT THE frick IS WRONG WITH YOU???
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It's not about "claiming", it's about acknowledging reputable awards.
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