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re: Alabama Basketball At A Cross Road

Posted on 3/17/15 at 2:04 am to
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 3/17/15 at 2:04 am to
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It still freaks me out that our current AD has a degree from the University of Alabama. Dave Hart will probably never truly earn my trust. It's just bizzare how that happens. When we had Dooley it felt like a sick joke was being conspired against our school by our chancellor(former UF guy), our AD( roll tide dave), and Doofy Dooley ( a pure bred UGA legacy) to sink and destroy our football program. The 3 guys employed by the state of Tennessee that had administrative power over football were all products of our 3 biggest rivals.


REC.

On a real note, Dave Hart has 2 degrees from Alabama.

I'm still pissed he left to go to Tennessee. But like you said, maybe he's working on a double secret program to destroy UT football
This post was edited on 3/17/15 at 2:05 am
Posted by psk_Vol
Nashville
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 3/17/15 at 3:03 am to
He seems like a goofy out of touch Grandpa to me. There's just something quirky about him I don't trust. If Butch turns out to be legit than he saves Hart. Otherwise both of his coaching searches thus far at Tennessee have been shitshows. Butch and Donnie were probably the fourth choice. As long as our double secret agent #VFL Battle holds up his end of the deal and slowly deconstructs Alabama athletics then I'm fine with Roll Tide Dave
This post was edited on 3/17/15 at 3:05 am
Posted by Monticello
Member since Jul 2010
16197 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 3:33 am to
I never supported the Battle hiring from day 1 and still don't. It was a "good ol boy" "don't rock the boat" hire that handcuffed the department. Truly high end coaches and executives with many offers don't like to walk into a situation where the person who hired them and evaluates them will likely be gone in a couple years. Anyone older than 30 has probably been in a situation where a new boss rolls into your department and they start to distrust existing employees and begin hiring new ones who are loyal to them. It's an uneasy feeling.

If I'm a hot coaching name and I know there is a big rebuilding project ahead of me, I want to know that the guy who trusted and hired me in the first place is going to be along for the rebuild.
Posted by coachcrisp
pensacola, fl
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 3/17/15 at 8:14 am to
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As long as our double secret agent #VFL Battle holds up his end of the deal and slowly deconstructs Alabama athletics then I'm fine with Roll Tide Dave
You're one dumb-arse hillbillie....you got any idea where Battle went to school and played his football with?....he was keeping an eye on y'all for us!
Posted by Irons Puppet
Birmingham
Member since Jun 2009
25901 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 8:18 am to
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I never supported the Battle hiring from day 1 and still don't. It was a "good ol boy" "don't rock the boat" hire that handcuffed the department. Truly high end coaches and executives with many offers don't like to walk into a situation where the person who hired them and evaluates them will likely be gone in a couple years. Anyone older than 30 has probably been in a situation where a new boss rolls into your department and they start to distrust existing employees and begin hiring new ones who are loyal to them. It's an uneasy feeling. If I'm a hot coaching name and I know there is a big rebuilding project ahead of me, I want to know that the guy who trusted and hired me in the first place is going to be along for the rebuild.


This is what happens when one BOT Member controls everything that happens on campus. Most AU fans understand the problem. It will not change until he is gone for good.
Posted by Tiger79
Zachary
Member since Apr 2009
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Posted on 3/17/15 at 8:25 am to
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Already hearing rumors about a plane from Tuscaloosa bound for Lexington, KY.


this
Posted by marshallcotiger
Member since Dec 2009
7964 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:15 am to
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Gregg Marshall- "No" doesn't cost anything
Shaka Smart
Ben Howland
Archie Miller
Ben Jacobson
Michael White
Bobby Hurley


Not a bad list. I personally don't think Howland would be a good fit. I said it in another thread but I would call Andy Kennedy to see if he is interested. He has to be getting tired of hearing about White.
Posted by AUNashville
New Haven
Member since Jul 2014
3561 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:25 am to
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This is what happens when one BOT Member controls everything that happens on campus. Most AU fans understand the problem. It will not change until he is gone for good.


The hiring of Jay Jacobs was met with some push-back because the AD stayed in house with the hire and stuck with the dreaded 'good ole boy' network. Tubberville and David Marsh got together to discuss their displeasure with the hire/promotion to the BOT. From my understanding, it was a big reason Marsh left Auburn, and our S&D hasn't been nearly as successful since.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:34 am to
There are 2 separate sets, the experienced and young camps

Old - Howland, Crean
New - White, Miller, Prohm

Personally, I would love to hire Crean. Howland gives me pause, but I wouldn't be totally opposed. Of the young guys I think Miller and White would work well, though that can be a crapshoot, and I want nothing to do with Prohm.
Posted by I-59 Tiger
Vestavia Hills, AL
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 3/17/15 at 9:39 am to
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Personally, I would love to hire Crean.


this one could grow some legs. IU buddy of mine in Indy was talking about how the Indy Star among other have all but stated he needs to go. Any luster from his '12-13 team has gone.

IMO, he's a fantastic coach. That's who I wanted at LSU after Brady. For whatever reason he's hit a wall in Bloomington. Depending on how IU does in the tourney, this might have potential.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:07 am to
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this one could grow some legs. IU buddy of mine in Indy was talking about how the Indy Star among other have all but stated he needs to go. Any luster from his '12-13 team has gone.

IMO, he's a fantastic coach. That's who I wanted at LSU after Brady. For whatever reason he's hit a wall in Bloomington. Depending on how IU does in the tourney, this might have potential.



He is a quirky guy and has been pretty prickly the last 2-3 years, but I think he'd come in, recruit like crazy and energize things. He is brash, talks a lot, etc.......all things I think this program needs.

A lot of Indiana people think he is already gone, and his radio interview last night seemed to play into that. They all seem to think there is serious interest/discussion between him and representatives from Alabama. Who knows if that is true, but I'd be pretty dang excited about it.
Posted by WarDamn101
Member since Sep 2012
465 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:22 am to
This measuring stick shite annoys me. I may be in the minority with this, but i consider the state of Alabama to be lucky to have two top tier programs in the same state. it's no doubt that Alabama has a greater history than Auburn in almost everything. At the same time we have a great amount of accomplishments in our on right and exceed a majority of programs in the country.

At this point who gives a flying hell who has a better basketball program overall? We have both sucked it up..pretty badly these last few years and its not acceptable to me. Auburn made a huge step in the right direction with the new facilities and hiring Bruce Pearl. It was quite nice being at a game this year and actually having a good time. its no doubt we will only get better..I hope Alabama makes a great hire and we make the basketball rivalry as fun as the football rivalry is year in year out.
Posted by RollTide4Ever
Nashville
Member since Nov 2006
18307 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:25 am to
Never been a fan of Crean. Dwayne Wade made that man.

Gimme Archie Miller.
Posted by Dodgson
Member since Feb 2012
722 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:40 am to
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i consider the state of Alabama to be lucky to have two top tier programs in the same state


I'll drink my morning joe to that, and not just for sports. As poor as our state is, having two institutions like alabama and auburn is a luxury. I wish that was what the rivalry was based on instead of bitterness and hatred. It's what keeps me out of most dick measuring arguments... Most.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:46 am to
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I'll drink my morning joe to that, and not just for sports. As poor as our state is, having two institutions like alabama and auburn is a luxury. I wish that was what the rivalry was based on instead of bitterness and hatred. It's what keeps me out of most dick measuring arguments... Most.


Amen. You can get a Top 40 law, accounting, engineering, medical doctorate etc degree in the State of Alabama. That's something a poor state like Alabama should be really proud of.
Posted by RT1941
Member since May 2007
30208 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:47 am to
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This measuring stick shite annoys me. I may be in the minority with this, but i consider the state of Alabama to be lucky to have two top tier programs in the same state. it's no doubt that Alabama has a greater history than Auburn in almost everything. At the same time we have a great amount of accomplishments in our on right and exceed a majority of programs in the country. At this point who gives a flying hell who has a better basketball program overall? We have both sucked it up..pretty badly these last few years and its not acceptable to me. Auburn made a huge step in the right direction with the new facilities and hiring Bruce Pearl. It was quite nice being at a game this year and actually having a good time. its no doubt we will only get better..I hope Alabama makes a great hire and we make the basketball rivalry as fun as the football rivalry is year in year out.

Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11455 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 10:49 am to
I agree wholeheartedly, but the Crean rumors are gaining traction. Maybe it's a smokescreen, I hope so anyway. But Crean is on thin ice in Bloomington and he knows it and he wants out before they can tarnish his resume'. I'm not so sure Crean didn't contact Bama about the opening.

I guess I could live with Crean if he turned around the program, but I'm not sold he's as good as his resume' makes him appear. I have more faith in Archie Miller than Crean. Am I being silly?? Part of it is just gut feeling, part of it is analysis. A good basketball coach shouldn't have to struggle to win at IU.
Posted by The Godfather
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Posted on 3/17/15 at 11:04 am to
Bama should give Auburn the ultimate frick you and go take Pearl from them




and this from page 2 is not accurate

quote:

Besides UK, UT and Alabama have the most conference championships all time.



LSU has 11
Bama and Tennessee have 8 each


if you are combining regular season and conference tourney (which i think he is) then

Bama has 14 and LSU and Tennessee both have 12




Auburn has 2, 3 if you combine regular season and tourney
This post was edited on 3/17/15 at 11:12 am
Posted by BigBlue8Titles
Kentucky
Member since Nov 2014
2453 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 11:07 am to
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I guess I could live with Crean if he turned around the program


Go read the PEEGS Indiana hoops message boards about CTC. You want to trade ACAG for this guy??
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 3/17/15 at 11:12 am to
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Go read the PEEGS Indiana hoops message boards about CTC. You want to trade ACAG for this guy??



We understand the dynamic of a guy not winning enough for an elite program. We are Alabama, in case you forgot. However, we also realize Alabama basketball is not the same as Indiana or Kentucky. So, I take most of that with a grain of salt. If Crean comes to Alabama and goes 22-9 and gets an 8-9 seed in the NCAAs most years we will be pretty happy. If Crean does that at Indiana he is going to get fired. It just isn't the same thing. Crean won at Marquette with a bunch of different teams, not just the Wade team.

And yea, I would trade ACAG for that guy in a heartbeat. I realize everyone seems to have this romantic idea of whatever CAG was, but while he was a great dude he was a bad basketball coach who ran a bad basketball program that didn't produce jack crap.
This post was edited on 3/17/15 at 11:14 am
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