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re: Alabama Basketball At A Cross Road
Posted on 3/15/15 at 7:07 pm to Irons Puppet
Posted on 3/15/15 at 7:07 pm to Irons Puppet
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Great Facilities- Coleman ????
Practice facilities and weight room are among the best in the conference. Coleman, although not as nice as some others, is not nearly the dump it's made out to be on here, and it seats 15,000+.
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Posted on 3/15/15 at 7:10 pm to RollTide1987
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Already hearing rumors about a plane from Tuscaloosa bound for Lexington, KY.
Come on down, Coach Barbee!! You already know the state and hate AU. Should be a perfect fit.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 7:12 pm to InfernoOrangeSS
I actually wouldn't mind Bama hiring two of their other assistants in Kenny Payne or Slice, but I would rather have an established HC though. AND THAT DOESN'T MEAN BARBEE
Posted on 3/15/15 at 7:13 pm to Tuscaloosa
Coleman (court and seating) is ugly bro. The facilities are very nice though.
This post was edited on 3/15/15 at 7:16 pm
Posted on 3/15/15 at 7:15 pm to RTR America
Would shite myself if it was Barbee
Posted on 3/15/15 at 7:37 pm to TRUERockyTop
AU facilities match Bama's, and if you throw in the Arena, Dorm and Wellness Center they surpass them.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 7:38 pm to RTR America
Pearl vs Howland could be future ESPN 30 for 30 material. Despite my healthy disdain for Alabama as a Tennessean, I honestly hope they don't shite the bed here. I want the SEC to be a force in basketball like it already is for football and baseball. Alabama could potentially have a seat at the SEC basketball table if they play their cards right. I want to see our conference get to the point that it is consistently producing 6-8 teams to the dance.
Kentucky being an obvious given, but there is no reason Tennessee, Alabama, A&m, Arky, Florida, Vanderbilt, Auburn (with Pearl), LSU, UGA ect. should not have the expectation and commitment to dance every March.
Kentucky being an obvious given, but there is no reason Tennessee, Alabama, A&m, Arky, Florida, Vanderbilt, Auburn (with Pearl), LSU, UGA ect. should not have the expectation and commitment to dance every March.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 7:40 pm to Irons Puppet
Alabama has a slightly better basketball fanbase than Auburn, but honestly, we're both pretty shitty in the dept
Auburn fans jumped on teh bandwagon with the Parl hire, off it during the season and back on again during the SEC tourney
our fans abandoned ship around the OT loss to Arky
I'd say our infrastructure is pretty similar but again that's nothing to brag about - Alabama has had more success in the past, and in the more recent past, but that can only get you so far
Auburn fans jumped on teh bandwagon with the Parl hire, off it during the season and back on again during the SEC tourney
our fans abandoned ship around the OT loss to Arky
I'd say our infrastructure is pretty similar but again that's nothing to brag about - Alabama has had more success in the past, and in the more recent past, but that can only get you so far
Posted on 3/15/15 at 7:43 pm to pvilleguru
quote:Auburn has great facilities, has already paid for a great coach, and LOL at thinking your fanbase gives one iota about basketball.
Great facilities, willing to pay big bucks for a coach, bigger basketball fanbase, etc.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 7:46 pm to ChexMix
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and LOL at thinking your fanbase gives one iota about basketball.
We've got a relatively illustrious basketball history to be such a "football school". Due to our basketball success, we do have a decent contingent that care a lot about basketball.
It's certainly nothing like football.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 7:48 pm to psk_Vol
quote:An excellent post. We've been a consistent top-20 program before and can/should be again with the right coaching leadership.
I think this hire is going to be the most interesting in the SEC. Obviously football will always be king there, but there is no reason they could not at the same time field a competitive basketball program. If Alabama is truly serious about basketball, they must act now and acquire a proven winner. Once Pearl gets his recruits in, he could monopolize that state basketball wise. I honestly think Alabama currently has a better infrastructure for basketball than Auburn, but they need a real leader to utilize the resources the Capstone could offer. Pearl has shown he is capable of closing that gap. Alabama must act now and wisely if they want to be relevant. I think Alabama has the same ceiling theoretically that a program like Tennessee has. I don't expect Tennessee to ever be perennial national title contenders. I just want a fun team that consistently makes the dance. That's all I ask for in our program and I see no reason why Alabama shouldn't have the same expectations. Nothing like it when your school makes a run in the dance. It will be interesting to see what Alabama does from here. Ball is in their court for now.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 7:48 pm to psk_Vol
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Pearl vs Howland could be future ESPN 30 for 30 material. Despite my healthy disdain for Alabama as a Tennessean, I honestly hope they don't shite the bed here. I want the SEC to be a force in basketball like it already is for football and baseball. Alabama could potentially have a seat at the SEC basketball table if they play their cards right. I want to see our conference get to the point that it is consistently producing 6-8 teams to the dance.
Kentucky being an obvious given, but there is no reason Tennessee, Alabama, A&m, Arky, Florida, Vanderbilt, Auburn (with Pearl), LSU, UGA ect. should not have the expectation and commitment to dance every March.
Couldn't agree more. Kentucky is in a realm of their own but every other SEC basketball program stands to gain from other programs improving.
Right now, like you say, having not only more NCAA teams but also more legitimate Top 25 teams every year (and even better if those teams vary a bit) means increased energy and exposure for everyone and that will pay off in recruiting.
I'm no recruiting expert but I would think that the biggest strides to be made for almost every SEC basketball program isn't against each other but just attracting more elite players (back) to the conference as a whole.
This post was edited on 3/15/15 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 3/15/15 at 7:49 pm to Irons Puppet
I'm sorry Bama absolutely has a better basketball infrastructure than Auburn. Of course AU has an elite coach now, something Bama has to go get if they want to maintain the natural basketball advantage.
Look all things equal if Pearl was at Alabama he could make them a force with much more ease than he has to Auburn. Alabama has a decent history basketball wise compared to the SEC. Besides UK, UT and Alabama have the most conference championships all time. I think Pearl at Alabama could have been deadly for the SEC.
Let's not pretend like Auburn gave a flying crap about their basketball program before they magically had an elite coach back into their laps. Alabama has made an elite 8 this century, while AU has spent the majority of this century playing horrible basketball in front of hundreds a fans each night. Alabama has a higher ceiling long term in basketball in my opinion. Agree to disagree.
Don't get me wrong though, Pearl whether he leaves in 3 years or 20 years from AU, he will have left the program in a much better place than what he got. I'm still jelly yall have our coach.
Look all things equal if Pearl was at Alabama he could make them a force with much more ease than he has to Auburn. Alabama has a decent history basketball wise compared to the SEC. Besides UK, UT and Alabama have the most conference championships all time. I think Pearl at Alabama could have been deadly for the SEC.
Let's not pretend like Auburn gave a flying crap about their basketball program before they magically had an elite coach back into their laps. Alabama has made an elite 8 this century, while AU has spent the majority of this century playing horrible basketball in front of hundreds a fans each night. Alabama has a higher ceiling long term in basketball in my opinion. Agree to disagree.
Don't get me wrong though, Pearl whether he leaves in 3 years or 20 years from AU, he will have left the program in a much better place than what he got. I'm still jelly yall have our coach.
This post was edited on 3/15/15 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 3/15/15 at 7:54 pm to wm72
Certainly the SEC as a whole needs to change the perception that elite recruits only play for UK, the ACC, Big 10, Big 12 ect.
A quick way to do that is for the conference as a whole to get more elite, superstar coaches with national recognition like Calipari, Donnavon and Pearl.
Alabama hiring Howland would be a step in the right direction.
A quick way to do that is for the conference as a whole to get more elite, superstar coaches with national recognition like Calipari, Donnavon and Pearl.
Alabama hiring Howland would be a step in the right direction.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 8:02 pm to psk_Vol
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I'm sorry Bama absolutely has a better basketball infrastructure than Auburn. Of course AU has an elite coach now, something Bama has to go get if they want to maintain the natural basketball advantage. Look all things equal if Pearl was at Alabama he could make them a force with much more ease than he has to Auburn. Alabama has a decent history basketball wise compared to the SEC. Besides UK, UT and Alabama have the most conference championships all time. I think Pearl at Alabama could have been deadly for the SEC. Pearl himself ranked Auburn as the WORST potential basketball job in the conference before he was hired by AU last spring. Here is a link to that ranking he made.
Auburn Basketball was bad because of apathy by the administration for years. They hired the cheapest and desperate coach available to rein over an infrastructure that was 30 years beyond a dump. That changed when they built the Arena over needed Football improvements. It elevated when they hired Pearl and paid him beyond the going rate.
With the exception of KY, Duke and NC, 18 year olds do not care about what a program did 50 years ago. They want a great coach they can relate to and get them to the Pros, and a nice place to live and play. AU now offers all three.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 8:03 pm to psk_Vol
At the moment, it's clear Auburn basketball has more to offer...both to fans and recruits. I too believe the potential at both schools is equal.
Next year's season tickets will almost certainly be sold out. Our facilities are better along with the dorms and wellness kitchen—all within a couple minutes walk. The incoming class adds to it as well.
Bama's decision on its new coach will be interesting...
Next year's season tickets will almost certainly be sold out. Our facilities are better along with the dorms and wellness kitchen—all within a couple minutes walk. The incoming class adds to it as well.
Bama's decision on its new coach will be interesting...
Posted on 3/15/15 at 8:05 pm to Irons Puppet
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With the exception of KY, Duke and NC, 18 year olds do not care about what a program did 50 years ago. They want a great coach they can relate to and get them to the Pros, and a nice place to live and play. AU now offers all three.
I don't think that's necessarily true. If you have a good coach who can sell himself as being able to build a successful program - combined with a strong history, you're in good shape.
A team with a good coach and good facilities will generally fall short to a team with good coach, good facilities, and good history.
Alabama is in pretty good position here, if we make a solid hire.
This post was edited on 3/15/15 at 8:06 pm
Posted on 3/15/15 at 8:07 pm to Tuscaloosa
In addition, pretty much every basketball coach that Alabama has had in recent decades has made it to the NCAA tournament at least once.
Posted on 3/15/15 at 8:09 pm to Wallacewade04
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Alabama has a slightly better basketball fanbase than Auburn, but honestly, we're both pretty shitty in the dept
Auburn fans jump on the bandwagon earlier and stay on later than Alabama fans. Unlike football you don't need the fanbase size as much as commitment to filling the seats and having a rabid fanbase.
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Auburn fans jumped on teh bandwagon with the Parl hire, off it during the season and back on again during the SEC tourney
We stayed on for a very long while until we started getting shelled by 30 for a couple weeks in a row
Posted on 3/15/15 at 8:10 pm to Tuscaloosa
The only schools that can 'sell' their history to recruits are UCLA, Kansas, Indiana, Kentucky, UNC, and Duke (maybe Syracuse?).
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