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re: Alabama Basketball At A Cross Road

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Posted by JordonfortheJ
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Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:06 pm to
yeah...talk about thread derailing...life of the secr
Posted by AUNashville
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Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:12 pm to
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That's what happens when you're the measuring stick.

Everything turns into a pissing contest, because that's all we are to them. A measuring stick that they hate.


Is this supposed to be derogatory towards Auburn?

Nearly every school uses in-state schools as measuring sticks. Alabama used Auburn as a measuring stick and vise versa...that's why you just fired your basketball coach.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:17 pm to
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Alabama used Auburn as a measuring stick and vise versa...that's why you just fired your basketball coach.


Yeah... Couldn't have been that we just had the worst conference record we've had in 30+ years. Or that he's only made one NCAA tourney appearance in 6 years, and made it to the NIT only 3 times. Or that he's only won 1 SEC tournament game in 6 years.

Nah... it must have been because we were using Auburn as a measuring stick. You know... since Grant was only 4-1 against Bruce Pearl in his career and beat him twice this year.
This post was edited on 3/15/15 at 10:19 pm
Posted by AUNashville
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Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:18 pm to
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Yeah... Couldn't have been that we just had the worst conference record we've had in 30+ years. Or that he's only made one NCAA tourney appearance in 6 years. Or that he's only won 1 SEC tournament game in 6 years.

Nah... it must have been because we were using Auburn as a measuring stick. You know... since Grant was only 4-1 against Bruce Pearl in his career and beat him twice this year.


I would be denying it too.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:19 pm to
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I would be denying it too.


There's simply no factual evidence to support it. At all.

It may be fair to say that the hire of Bruce Pearl put pressure on the AD to make a move. But the bottom line is that Anthony Grant should have been fired last year.

A measuring stick you are not.
This post was edited on 3/15/15 at 10:20 pm
Posted by RTR America
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Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:19 pm to
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We have a muchhhhh better facility and last I heard we weren't frugal on our last coaching hire

You might have a bigger basketball fanbase but that's because you have the bandwagoners that jumped on your football program

We consistently filled our arena this year


It is shite like this that makes this place insufferable 99% of the time.
Posted by RTR America
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Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:20 pm to
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Nearly every school uses in-state schools as measuring sticks. Alabama used Auburn as a measuring stick and vise versa...that's why you just fired your basketball coach.


And this
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:21 pm to
Dude, Pearl is a good coach. Auburn will continue to improve.

But don't delude yourself into thinking that Bruce is the reason that Grant was fired.
Posted by AUNashville
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Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:27 pm to
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There's simply no factual evidence to support it. At all.


Of course there isn't. There's also no factual evidence that says we fired Tubberville mostly due to what Saban was doing at Alabama, but that was the case. For the most part, we didn't fire Tubberville because he only won 5 games in 2008, but that's what the factual evidence would say.

@HempHead

I don't think Bruce was the reason at all. I just think he and his momentum at Auburn played a role in the decision.
This post was edited on 3/15/15 at 10:29 pm
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:32 pm to
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We didn't fire Tubberville because he only won 5 games in 2008, but that's what the factual evidence would say.



Factual evidence would also point to the fact that Tuberville was absolutely embarrassed to the tune of 36-0 to end the season in 2008, as Alabama was in the process of assembling one of the greatest recruiting classes ever.

Grant beat Pearl twice this year and was 4-1 all time against him.

As I stated, Pearl's late momentum might have resulted in solidifying the decision - but the scenario you just presented is nothing like the one with Grant.

Tuberville had experienced a great deal of success at Auburn. Grant has not.

Tuberville was booted after losing in embarrassing fashion to Alabama. Grant owned Pearl.

Tuberville was getting dominated in-state with recruiting. Grant is a fine recruiter and has out-recruited Auburn every year.

The bottom line is that Anthony Grant just wasn't a very good coach, and Auburn's success didn't have anything to do with that.

And our AD certainly wasn't using Auburn as a "measuring stick" as you've suggested. That doesn't even make sense.
This post was edited on 3/15/15 at 10:36 pm
Posted by RTR America
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Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:35 pm to
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I don't think Bruce was the reason at all. I just think he and his momentum at Auburn played a role in the decision.


"momentum"
Posted by AUNashville
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Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:43 pm to
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"momentum"


You'll see...
This post was edited on 3/15/15 at 10:44 pm
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:46 pm to
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You'll see...


That's fine, but it doesn't fit your scenario of having played a large part in why Anthony Grant was fired.

No doubt Bruce Pearl is a fine coach.

But Anthony Grant sucked. And that's why Anthony Grant was fired. Because he sucked.
This post was edited on 3/15/15 at 10:47 pm
Posted by RTR America
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Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:47 pm to
I am not doubting that Pearl will be successful. I am doubting what you call momentum.

Like I realize this is the first year many of you Auburn fans have watched CBB, but sometimes a player gets hot and you win a game or 2 you shouldn't in a tournament setting.
This post was edited on 3/15/15 at 10:49 pm
Posted by Patton
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Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:53 pm to
Did Auburn make any postseason bball?
Posted by AUNashville
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Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:54 pm to
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played a large part


I apologize for being unclear, but I do not think Bruce Pearl played a large part or was the reason for Grant's departure.

I do think Bruce coming to Auburn, assembling a top 15 recruiting class, and building excitement for the program did play a role though.
Posted by AUNashville
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Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:56 pm to
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I am doubting what you call momentum.


Would you say the Alabama football program had any momentum after the 2007 season?
Posted by HempHead
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Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:57 pm to
I definitely wasn't optimistic after squeaking by fricking Colorado in Shreveport.
Posted by RTR America
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Posted on 3/15/15 at 10:59 pm to
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Would you say the Alabama football program had any momentum after the 2007 season?


Yes Alabama football and Auburn basketball are two totally comparable situations.

Seriously where do y'all come up with this shite?
Posted by Restomod
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Posted on 3/16/15 at 7:03 am to
Bama only cares about football....unless other sport becomes good then they will care about it too.
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