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re: Adding the Oklahoma schools could solve one issue...........
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:12 am to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:12 am to SummerOfGeorge
It would be terrible for us so I don't want it to happen, but if the SEC were to expand west these would be the two best cultural fits outside of Tech and TCU (who add nothing of material value). OU's fanbase compares most favorably to Alabama's, while OK State's is most like Mississippi State. OU and LSU fans would develop hatred for each other very quickly. Both would develop fun rivalries with Arkansas
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Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:13 am to SummerOfGeorge
The split would make sense. But as an OM fan it would suck. To me we wouldn't be in the SEC anymore.
I mean we would yearly play
OU, OSU, Arky, Mizzou, and A&M
Wtf that shite would suck.
I mean we would yearly play
OU, OSU, Arky, Mizzou, and A&M
Wtf that shite would suck.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:13 am to CapstoneGrad06
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So basically the fans of the original 10 SEC members want to expand westward. New members (sans South Carolina) want to expand east. I wonder why.
I think the only way to go is west. Eventually, there are only going to be 4-5 power leagues that compete for major national titles.
Why not get ahead of the curve and get solid programs such as OU and OSU? The ACC makes a school pay for leaving, so the chances of any of their schools leaving are slim to none.
One thing though that could happen...is if the Big 12 is falling...West Virginia is on the table...so you could add one easst team, such as WVU and then one Texas or Oklahoma school from the west to get another two.
I still think the Oklahoma schools are the best bet.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:14 am to Hawgeye
Ou and OSU would require all of us to take a pay cut, if it was minimal it might be worth it long term but how much of a pay cut is too much? 1-2 mil per school per year? 3-4 mil ?
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:14 am to Ericvol2096
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I think ECU would be a decent addition
I do too - it wouldn't be a great "look" because they aren't a P5 school, but they have a solid fanbase, a decent football tradition (good baseball) and a nice stadium. Bad academics and pretty poor overall athletics would bomb them though. They kind of compare to Boise State out West. Football might could work, the rest does not.
Attendance averages (capacity 50,000)
2010 - 49,665
2011 - 50,012
2012 - 47,013
2013 - 43,985
2014 - 44,786
2015 - 43,274
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 8:16 am
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:16 am to Ericvol2096
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Any chance the SEC could convince OU to leave Ok St and get Kansas with OU?
From what I have gathered from their sports radio...Is I doubt it.
Oklahoma fans seem to be fine with losing their conference rivalry with Texas, but Bedlam is a different story. If you take one, you probably have to take both IMO.
Its an interesting listen. Find The Sports Animal out of Tulsa on your tune in app and listen. The show Iike most starts at 11 on weekdays. They have been pretty heavy into it this week with the meetings going on.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:17 am to Hawgeye
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The ACC makes a school pay for leaving
Every conference but the SEC has a GOR. Which is why none of this will happen for a decade if it ever does.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:22 am to Old Sarge
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Ou and OSU would require all of us to take a pay cut
Not at all. Their state would not fall on the bottom as far as tv sets go. They would add value. OU is more of a national brand than aTm or Missouri when they were added. Their markets would not be at the bottom of the SEC either. You gain more tv sets in Dallas...gain Oklahoma City/Norman, which we didn't have before, and you also gain Tulsa.
I do not know where they would fall in the entire footprint, but I know those cities wouldn't be at the bottom. It certainly would not make anyone in the league lose money.
Then you also consider the bowl history of Oklahoma, and lately Oklahoma State. That is more money for each school in the league as well. Also the fact that both schools would help the league in basketball, which in turn means more money for the league. Oklahoma also adds value in softball. Hell, the NCAA championships are 15 minutes from their campus.
OSU adds wrestling with Missouri. They also add a solid historical basketball program that is looking to get back on track. Adding those two schools not only solidifies your football conference, but it also adds balance to a struggling basketball league.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:25 am to UpToPar
OSU is absolute garbage academically. They've had limited success in football and basketball as they tried to apply the "Oregon" approach of dropping a $1B on the problem.
I believe they would probably compete at a historical level similar to South Carolina or MSU, but I'll let my SEC brethren judge. Afterall, most of them said A&M would be Vandy...lol!!!
I believe they would probably compete at a historical level similar to South Carolina or MSU, but I'll let my SEC brethren judge. Afterall, most of them said A&M would be Vandy...lol!!!
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:26 am to Chill98
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They've had limited success in football and basketbal
Compared to most of the SEC they've definitely had more than limited success in basketball
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:26 am to SummerOfGeorge
New Orleans should host the SEC title game if both OK school'a are added.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:29 am to Hawgeye
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OU is more of a national brand than aTm or Missouri when they were added
Oklahoma is Top 8 blue blood college football program. They would immediately become the #2 historical program in the conference behind Alabama. That's a huge addition that a lot of people seem to be kind of ignoring. On top of that they are a Top 25 historical basketball program and would immediately move into the upper echelon of the league in basketball along with Kentucky, Florida and Arkansas. And finally, they are a Top 25 baseball program historically.
So, Oklahoma would be a great fit for any conference athletically.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:30 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Compared to most of the SEC they've definitely had more than limited success in basketball
Yea, that's ridiculous. They've been to 6 final fours - only less than Kentucky (17) and tied with Arkansas (6).
They've also been to 19 College World Series, which is more than anyone in the SEC (LSU 16, South Carolina 11). Oklahoma has been to 10.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 8:31 am
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:32 am to Chill98
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They've had limited success in football and basketball as they tried to apply the "Oregon" approach of dropping a $1B on the problem.
They have 6 final four appearances and 2 national championships. That's 6 more final four appearances and 2 more national championships than A&M has had.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:33 am to SummerOfGeorge
They been to 11 tourneys since 2000, not sure if another bball program in the SEC can claim that besides UK and UF.
Once they get rid of Travis Ford and hire a real coach they should be good again too. Gallagher Iba would immediately become the second best basketball environment in the conference behind Kentucky as well. It is not a fun place to play when they're good.
ETA I forgot they hired Brad Underwood, very good move for them
Once they get rid of Travis Ford and hire a real coach they should be good again too. Gallagher Iba would immediately become the second best basketball environment in the conference behind Kentucky as well. It is not a fun place to play when they're good.
ETA I forgot they hired Brad Underwood, very good move for them
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 8:35 am
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:33 am to Chill98
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They've had limited success in football and basketball
Oklahoma State is a pretty solid program overall man. I certainly wouldn't call it "limited" success in sports.
Football: 10 conference titles, last being in 2011. They've been to 25 bowl games and have a 16-9 record in those.
Basketball: 2 National Titles, 19 conference championships, 27 NCAA's, 6 Final Fours, 11 Elite Eights
Baseball: 1 National Title, 5 CWS Runner Ups, 19 CWS Appearances, 42 NCAA Regional Appearances, 31 Conference Championships
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:35 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Once they get rid of Travis Ford and hire a real coach they should be good again too. Gallagher Iba would immediately become the second best basketball environment in the conference behind Kentucky as well
They just hired Brad Underwood.
Gallagher is good...but it will still be smaller and less of an atmosphere than Rupp, The Bud, and TBA. Yes though, they have a solid atmosphere and nice arena.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:35 am to SummerOfGeorge
Directors Cup finishes since 2006. Oklahoma would immediately move into the upper 1/3 of overall athletic departments and Oklahoma State would be right in the middle of the pack. Both have very solid all-around athletic departments.
Oklahoma State
2006 - 30
2007 - 41
2008 - 33
2009 - 35
2010 - 33
2011 - 32
2012 - 42
2013 - 27
2014 - 22
2015 - 28
Oklahoma
2006 - 37
2007 - 25
2008 - 23
2009 - 29
2010 - 12
2011 - 10
2012 - 14
2013 - 7
2014 - 19
2015 - 21
Oklahoma State
2006 - 30
2007 - 41
2008 - 33
2009 - 35
2010 - 33
2011 - 32
2012 - 42
2013 - 27
2014 - 22
2015 - 28
Oklahoma
2006 - 37
2007 - 25
2008 - 23
2009 - 29
2010 - 12
2011 - 10
2012 - 14
2013 - 7
2014 - 19
2015 - 21
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 8:37 am
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:36 am to SummerOfGeorge
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quote: I think ECU would be a decent addition
If I consulted the SEC this would be one of my recommendations. We could also go get Tulsa. You get all the TV markets without any of the OU/OSU hassle.
SEC add tons of revenue with no headache. It is a smaller version of Big 10 expansion when they added Rutgers and Maryland.
If you aren't worried about the "cultural" aspect you should consider who the Big 12 is looking at in BYU, CSU, Cincy, and UCONN.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 8:36 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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forgot they hired Brad Underwood,
Yea, I was about to say they just hired one of the best up and coming coaches in the country.
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