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Posted on 4/28/13 at 12:31 pm to Col Reb is my mascot
Posted on 4/28/13 at 12:31 pm to Col Reb is my mascot
Its not about changing the past. You cant do that. Its about moving forward. As I stated ridding ourselves of things that can be deemed as a outdated tradition can show progress and a attempt to move forward. Its a process.
As I stated before, when we do reach the top I dont want the argument to be about Dixie or something pointless. I want the focus to be on the team and how the university has moved forward and progressed.
As I stated before, when we do reach the top I dont want the argument to be about Dixie or something pointless. I want the focus to be on the team and how the university has moved forward and progressed.
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Posted on 4/28/13 at 12:34 pm to UMRealist
I dont need a first cousin. I grew up with him. I'm not telling you what I heard. I'm telling you what I know.
I also stated it wasnt the ONLY reason.
I also stated it wasnt the ONLY reason.
This post was edited on 4/28/13 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 4/28/13 at 12:35 pm to Doresrules
I'm not telling you I "heard" I'm telling you that I am close to the family and have personally discussed it with them.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 12:36 pm to UMRealist
And I'm telling you I grew up with him and was THERE.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 12:39 pm to Doresrules
Regardless of HIS reasoning, it is obviously not hurting our recruiting at this point and time. So the recruiting argument is stupid. Besides these issues extend passed football and other sports.
This post was edited on 4/28/13 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 4/28/13 at 12:42 pm to UMRealist
You think it isnt hurting. It definitely isnt helping.
There were incidents this year with Mark Dodson and Eugene Brazley almost decommitting because of the Obama "riots".(Which it was nothing near a riot)
Ole Miss HAS to ask questions about certain traditions. We just do. You have to ask to see if those traditions are outdated.
There were incidents this year with Mark Dodson and Eugene Brazley almost decommitting because of the Obama "riots".(Which it was nothing near a riot)
Ole Miss HAS to ask questions about certain traditions. We just do. You have to ask to see if those traditions are outdated.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 12:44 pm to Doresrules
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Obama "riots"
=/= Dixie or Colonel Reb (HC King)
Posted on 4/28/13 at 12:47 pm to UMRealist
I didnt say that or intend to infer that.
The point was racial issues will always get blown up at Ole Miss. Whether its two idiots burning Obama campaign signs or a debate over whether Dixie should stay or go.
In the end things change. Time changes things. Certain things that were once ok, are no longer viewed that way. That's life.
The point was racial issues will always get blown up at Ole Miss. Whether its two idiots burning Obama campaign signs or a debate over whether Dixie should stay or go.
In the end things change. Time changes things. Certain things that were once ok, are no longer viewed that way. That's life.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 12:49 pm to Doresrules
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know for a fact Justin Woodall chose Alabama because there were some in his family who didnt like Ole Miss because of its past. Granted that wasnt the only reason, but it didnt help our chances.
The point was not every black athlete says this. Nor that we lose ALOT of players because of it. But as I stated, its not gaining us any.
So because Ole Miss allegedly lost one recruit because of his family's clearly misinformed perception of Ole Miss today you should use that as the excuse to continue removing ties to Ole Miss' past even if it's not necessarily racist?
Talk about a huge, huge knee jerk reaction. You can't please everyone. Someone doing some negative recruiting could just as easily plant the seed that Ole Miss is still racist as something on campus still being affiliated with Col. Reb.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 12:51 pm to BluegrassBelle
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You can't please everyone
I definitely agree with this. Including the people who just want things to remain as they always have. You cant please everyone.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 12:55 pm to Doresrules
So where is the medium? Because I'm not seeing it
Posted on 4/28/13 at 12:56 pm to Doresrules
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Including the people who just want things to remain as they always have
Except they haven't because Ole Miss has pretty well eradicated most all traditions that were associated with racism at this point.
But it's clear some people can't ever be sated. Especially those who are so concerned with the perception of others that they're actually harming the University by continuing to bring it up.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 1:08 pm to UMRealist
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So where is the medium? Because I'm not seeing it
That's because for some people there's not. Until the University is completely stripped of any kind of tradition/association with it's past they won't be happy. Because some people can't separate the two.
People are always going to remember James Meredith and what went down at Ole Miss because it's such a huge part of the Civil Rights Movement nationally. Short of bulldozing the campus to the ground people aren't going to just magically forget that. You can remove all you want and that is still going to be attached to Ole Miss. People are still going to call people who go to Ole Miss racist. Ignorant people, but it's going to happen nonetheless.
The best thing Ole Miss can do at this juncture is to stop pushing the agenda because it's been pushed far enough and all it's doing is opening old wounds. It gives the perception that Ole Miss is still struggling with open racism and that's not true IMO.
This post was edited on 4/28/13 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 4/28/13 at 1:09 pm to BluegrassBelle
Ole Miss has removed Col Reb., From Dixie With Love where students yelled the South Will Rise Again, and Confederate flags from football games. How was it that ANY of those traditions were helpful to Ole Miss? Please explain. I just dont get it.
While Col. Reb and FDWL didnt bother me, I'm just not seeing how people whine over losing those things.
I mean can some of you not see how having a officer of the Confederate army as a mascot might not be a great thing in 2013 or how waving Confederate flags at football games might not be a good thing.
Some of you are arguing a point that you arent even taking into consideration. You are saying that we shouldnt change things because some feelings are hurt. Well why shouldnt we change things because YOUR feelings are hurt??? It goes both ways.
While Col. Reb and FDWL didnt bother me, I'm just not seeing how people whine over losing those things.
I mean can some of you not see how having a officer of the Confederate army as a mascot might not be a great thing in 2013 or how waving Confederate flags at football games might not be a good thing.
Some of you are arguing a point that you arent even taking into consideration. You are saying that we shouldnt change things because some feelings are hurt. Well why shouldnt we change things because YOUR feelings are hurt??? It goes both ways.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 1:13 pm to Doresrules
I don't think anybody here would agree with saying there is nothing wrong with confedrate flags or yelling TSWRA. Colonel Reb is obviously much more debated but I don't have an issue with him being gone.
My problem is with the line of reasoning concerning Colonel Reb (HC King) and Dixie.
If we continue to remove things such as these^, then again I ask, where is the medium?
My problem is with the line of reasoning concerning Colonel Reb (HC King) and Dixie.
If we continue to remove things such as these^, then again I ask, where is the medium?
Posted on 4/28/13 at 1:15 pm to BluegrassBelle
I think Ole Miss should continue to evolve. That means addressing things as they happen. That also means asking tough questions about traditions and if those traditions are still beneficial to Ole Miss.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 1:17 pm to Doresrules
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Ole Miss has removed Col Reb., From Dixie With Love where students yelled the South Will Rise Again, and Confederate flags from football games. How was it that ANY of those traditions were helpful to Ole Miss? Please explain. I just dont get it.
From what I know there was support for removing some of those things. I'm talking about at this juncture where you're trying to remove things that don't have anything to do with racism. It's a slippery slope. I can see where some Ole Miss fans would be concerned that it's turning into an assault on everything associated with the past. Where does the line get drawn? As some have said in this thread, people wanted to go as far as removing the confederate cemetery on campus. I'd say that's a pretty strong extreme and if that's not safe what is?
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Some of you are arguing a point that you arent even taking into consideration. You are saying that we shouldnt change things because some feelings are hurt. Well why shouldnt we change things because YOUR feelings are hurt??? It goes both ways.
Because you have to draw the line somewhere. At what point does it become overzealous? Personally, I think you've reached that point and it needs to stop.
Posted on 4/28/13 at 1:18 pm to Doresrules
So if they changed the Red and Blue colors because of some trumped up charges, you would be perfectly okay with that? No questions asked?
Posted on 4/28/13 at 1:19 pm to Doresrules
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I think Ole Miss should continue to evolve. That means addressing things as they happen. That also means asking tough questions about traditions and if those traditions are still beneficial to Ole Miss.
How is Dixie or the name of a homecoming king harmful to Ole Miss to the point that it needs to be removed?
Please elaborate. As others have said, I think most while maybe upset at the time of the removal agree with the removal of the other traditions. But we're talking about the issues at hand right now.
As said, where do you draw the line?
Posted on 4/28/13 at 1:26 pm to UMRealist
We develop new traditions. Move forward and stop looking backwards. We work on making a Ole Miss that is living in 2013. Not in its past.
There are so many other things that are "Ole Miss" The Grove, the Walk of Champions, A baseball environment second to none.
Bjork said it best:“They asked people to love those traditions for a long time, and to take them away stings,” Bjork says. “But now we’ve got to create some new atmospheres, some new identity around our program.”
There are so many other things that are "Ole Miss" The Grove, the Walk of Champions, A baseball environment second to none.
Bjork said it best:“They asked people to love those traditions for a long time, and to take them away stings,” Bjork says. “But now we’ve got to create some new atmospheres, some new identity around our program.”
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