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re: RE: legalizing recreational drugs and selling them in shops
Posted on 3/24/16 at 11:24 pm to olddawg26
Posted on 3/24/16 at 11:24 pm to olddawg26
Countries in Europe have already done this and it was the opposite, their crime dropped significantly. The prices would probably be lower for drugs with them being regulated and more easily available. Yes, addicts would still need to feed their habit so petty theft would probably hover around the same. Violent crime would definitely go down when you take the criminal element away from drugs.
Not only did crime go down in those countries, but overall drug use and addiction also went down, probably because with it being legal it lost a lot of its allure to the dumber portion of society.
Not only did crime go down in those countries, but overall drug use and addiction also went down, probably because with it being legal it lost a lot of its allure to the dumber portion of society.
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Posted on 3/25/16 at 12:35 am to BowlJackson
Yeah, that's not true. 80% of property crime in Amsterdam is committed by addicts and 50% of the prison population in the Netherlands are drug addicts.
Many countries that have attempted legalization have resorted to recriminalization due to increased numbers of addicts.
Better yet, look at the UK in the 70s. They just gave heroin away free to addicts, and addiction rates exploded.
I'm all for legalizing pot, but the personal and societal costs of some substances is not worth the increased addiction rates.
ETA - I know decriminalization has been very successful in Portugal, but they are a serious outlier.
Many countries that have attempted legalization have resorted to recriminalization due to increased numbers of addicts.
Better yet, look at the UK in the 70s. They just gave heroin away free to addicts, and addiction rates exploded.
I'm all for legalizing pot, but the personal and societal costs of some substances is not worth the increased addiction rates.
ETA - I know decriminalization has been very successful in Portugal, but they are a serious outlier.
This post was edited on 3/25/16 at 12:45 am
Posted on 3/25/16 at 2:35 am to Rebel Land Shark
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Because Jesus doesn't like drugs
Did he not turn water into wine? Sheesh, it's not like they had cable back in the day to kill time and free sex was frowned upon by the Christians.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 7:21 am to vengeanceofrain
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Then reason they will never legalize drugs is that the police force is middle class welfare ; too many white with no talent make a living because drugs Re illegal
We'd still need drug enforcement. There would still be people buying "illegal" drugs just like people produce and buy "illegal" alcohol.
Making weed legal would go a long way toward emptying prisons and increasing tax revenue. Not sure coke and opiates should avaliable at the dolla gentral.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 7:34 am to Kentucker
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We need to bring drug use out into the open, let the recreational user enjoy them and help those who become dependent upon them. It's a win-win for everyone.
Well, everyone except the non drug using taxpayer who ends up paying for all this shite. But nobody gives a frick about that guy anymore anyway.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 7:38 am to sorantable
Posted on 3/25/16 at 8:15 am to sorantable
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Can someone please tell me why legalizing recreational drugs and selling them in shops like we do liquor is a bad idea?
The only legitimate reason that they are still illegal in parts of the country is because it opens a new can of worms if you legalize it. If they had a testing method that could tell you how high you are at the moment like a breathalizer then weed would have been legalized a long time ago.
As it stands, if you get injured at work and go in for workers comp, the first thing you do is piss test. Now Im not sure how it works in legalized states but failing that piss test is already grounds for termination and workers comp not being paid. If they had a test that you could take when you go in and it would tell you that you haven't smoked in 48 hours or whatever then all that would be cleaned up.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 9:50 am to TideJoe
quote:In the short run you wouldn't see an immediate change, but in the long run it will change things drastically for the better.
We'd still need drug enforcement. There would still be people buying "illegal" drugs just like people produce and buy "illegal" alcohol.
Making weed legal would go a long way toward emptying prisons and increasing tax revenue. Not sure coke and opiates should available at the dollar general.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 3:03 pm to sorantable
quote:Compassion, public health, and rising health premium costs for all.
Hey man, if you want to be a junkie, who am I to get in your way? I can't stop you from becoming an alcoholic. Why should this be any different?
Weed is fine, but legalizing heroin is inviting hepatitis C-- and other transferable diseases comorbid with hard drug abuse-- to become a national health crisis. What would that do to families?
I hear heroin abuse is lower in Amsterdam where it is legal, but I would definitely want to read more research on their success before making such a risky policy decision.
I'm all for maximizing individual liberty, but when your indulgences translate into others having to deal with rising health care costs, and increased risk of contracting diseases that could be demonstrated to directly result from the aggregate of individuals utilizing their their liberty in this way isn't an argument to just be dismissed.
This post was edited on 3/25/16 at 3:19 pm
Posted on 3/25/16 at 3:27 pm to cas4t
quote:I don't think you understand addiction.
don't think encouraging addiction for the better of society is a very sound argument. :lol.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 4:09 pm to jbond
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'm all for maximizing individual liberty, but when your indulgences translate into others having to deal with rising health care costs, and increased risk of contracting diseases that could be demonstrated to directly result from the aggregate of individuals utilizing their their liberty in this way isn't an argument to just be dismissed.
So ban booze and tobacco...
Posted on 3/25/16 at 4:12 pm to MoarKilometers
Heroin is on a different level in terms of addictivity and dangerous. I think practically speaking it should be treated differently.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 4:19 pm to jbond
So we're ignoring the costs added to healthcare from these self indulging folks? Seems very double standardish to me.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 4:28 pm to PrivatePublic
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Well, everyone except the non drug using taxpayer who ends up paying for all this shite. But nobody gives a frick about that guy anymore anyway.
You probably missed the part where I said we should tax the drug sales. Probably.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 4:56 pm to jbond
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but legalizing heroin is inviting hepatitis C-- and other transferable diseases comorbid with hard drug abuse-- to become a national health crisis.
Don't make me defend heroin, but I think legalization and open access would drive down disease simply because people wouldn't need to share needles and they'd have a cleaner and more regulated source of the drug
Posted on 3/25/16 at 4:57 pm to Warfarer
They do have weed breathalyzers
Posted on 3/25/16 at 5:51 pm to Kentucker
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You probably missed the part where I said we should tax the drug sales. Probably.
It's amazing how little some of you know about the realities of hard drugs. And your poor understanding of addiction is sad.
Taxing hard drugs comes nowhere close to paying for the cost of the addiction.
Even the Netherlands makes the distinction between hard and soft drugs because of the dangers to human health. "Soft" drugs are sold in coffee shops. "Hard" drugs are forbidden, and addiction to them is still responsible for 80% of property crime and 50% of prison population in the country.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 5:58 pm to Evolved Simian
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50% of prison population in the country.
You know they're shutting down multiple prisons there this year, i believe 3... On top of already taking in prisoners from neighboring countries. shite must suck.
Posted on 3/25/16 at 7:49 pm to MoarKilometers
You are aware that it has nothing to do with addiction rates, aren't you?
It's primarily due to lowered sentences issued by judges for non-serious crimes, coupled with a slight decrease in serious crime.
Trying to tie that to supporting your argument that heroin should be legal is disingenuous at best.
It's primarily due to lowered sentences issued by judges for non-serious crimes, coupled with a slight decrease in serious crime.
Trying to tie that to supporting your argument that heroin should be legal is disingenuous at best.
Posted on 3/26/16 at 1:59 am to sorantable
Nothing good happens due to heroin or meth use.
On the subject of prisons, you would be surprised how many people have been just given slaps on the wrist for drug charges. You sit in jail longer on credit card theft or fraud longer than anything drug related right now.
On the subject of prisons, you would be surprised how many people have been just given slaps on the wrist for drug charges. You sit in jail longer on credit card theft or fraud longer than anything drug related right now.
This post was edited on 3/26/16 at 2:01 am
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