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re: RE: legalizing recreational drugs and selling them in shops

Posted on 3/26/16 at 12:39 pm to
Posted by cas4t
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Posted on 3/26/16 at 12:39 pm to
My mother was missing for nearly half my life due to addiction and is just now 2 years sober. I've been to NA meetings with her an AA meetings with my father. I saw a therapist for years who specialized in working with kids who had a parent who suffered from addiction. I think I'm about as tuned in to how addiction affects someone as it gets, save being an addict myself.

Like I said, ive never been an addict, but I watched it unfold in front of my eyes with my mom and my dad and later on my step brother with pain pills, so I can safely assume I'm well versed in addiction.

I'm all ears though.
This post was edited on 3/26/16 at 12:54 pm
Posted by scrooster
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 3/26/16 at 8:43 pm to
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This is sickeningly true. The "war on drugs" is a fricking welfare program.

In Kentucky we even have "drug courts" that are supposed to help the convicted turn their lives around, unite with their families and become productive citizens. That hardly ever happens but the courts add judges, bailiffs, clerks, social workers, etc. to a burgeoning taxpayer liability.

All drugs should be legalized and taxed. Drug courts should be abolished.

Tax revenue from drugs could fund mental health programs that would find people who abuse substances in their attempts to deal with mental illnesses. Presently, Kentucky leads the nation in overdose deaths because our junkies lurk in the shadows.

We need to bring drug use out into the open, let the recreational user enjoy them and help those who become dependent upon them. It's a win-win for everyone.


That wouldn't stop the black marketing of drugs ... just like liquor stores have not stopped moonshining. To the contrary, moonshining is on a major upswing here in this country.

You cannot legislate morality.

So should we also legalize prostitution throughout the country ... answer: no.

Let the states decide.

Let the states decide everything ... including gambling. And, most importantly, including gun rights.

The problem is that the federal government is too involved in our lives and for none of the right reasons.

Let the states decide then let people move to and live in the states that fit their belief systems.

All problems would be solved.
Posted by PorkRoast
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2015
6047 posts
Posted on 3/26/16 at 10:14 pm to
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Hey man, if you want to be a junkie, who am I to get in your way? I can't stop you from becoming an alcoholic. Why should this be any different?


I never thought I'd say this... But I agree with you. Junkies gonna junk, whether legal or not. They'll find a way.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 3/29/16 at 4:17 pm to
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Yeah, that's not true. 80% of property crime in Amsterdam is committed by addicts and 50% of the prison population in the Netherlands are drug addicts.


This doesn't necessarily debunk the claim of the guy you quoted. He's saying crime decreased across the board in terms of numbers of crimes committed. All you're saying is a greater percentage of criminals are drug addicts.
Posted by Dawgholio
Bugtussle
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Posted on 3/29/16 at 4:21 pm to
The Bible thumpers clutch their pearls as such a notion
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260211 posts
Posted on 3/29/16 at 4:51 pm to
Drug war is a financial and social failure. There is nothing redeeming about it
Posted by parrothead
big salty ham
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 3/29/16 at 4:52 pm to
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That wouldn't stop the black marketing of drugs ... just like liquor stores have not stopped moonshining. To the contrary, moonshining is on a major upswing here in this country.


this is true. the "black market" for pot in Colorado is huge for "users" way cheaper and tax free. 23% tax rate on it where i live so you know sometimes i only want to pay $30 for .25 oz instead of 80+ at the dispensary. Having the ability to grow it on your own has drastically lowered the price of street green. just find a guy who grows for a co-op and you can get really good deals.
Posted by TheOracle
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Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 3/29/16 at 5:05 pm to
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i would not feel right about open availability to blow , lsd, and shrooms.


It would probably be more likely that cocaine would be legalized than the other 2. Even though psychedelics are much more beneficial and safe, they're also less addictive than weed is (if that's possible).

There was great excitement in the 50s and 60s among doctors and researchers that LSD and psychedelic therapy could be used to treat alcoholism, then the counter culture happened and the government outlawed all research on it.

Psychedelics are extremely powerful chemicals that have little to no effect on the body. Many of them are completely organic compounds (like psilocybin). I don't know if they should be legalized but they desperately need to be researched much more.
This post was edited on 3/29/16 at 5:09 pm
Posted by finestfirst79
Vicksburg, Mississippi
Member since Nov 2012
11646 posts
Posted on 3/29/16 at 5:59 pm to
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I don't know if they should be legalized but they desperately need to be researched much more.


Umm... why? What's wrong with "Don't do that shite"?
Posted by Gradual_Stroke
Bee Cave, TX
Member since Oct 2012
20917 posts
Posted on 3/29/16 at 6:06 pm to
What's wrong with mind your own fricking business?
Posted by TheOracle
Rolo Tony Brown Town
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 3/29/16 at 6:11 pm to
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Umm... why? What's wrong with "Don't do that shite"?


Because it isn't "shite". Psychedelics aren't dopamine releasing chemicals like opiates and stimulants. Psychedelics affect how serotonin controls other neurotransmitters. They're powerful chemicals that could have extremely useful therapeutic properties with no chance of addiction.
This post was edited on 3/29/16 at 6:13 pm
Posted by Gradual_Stroke
Bee Cave, TX
Member since Oct 2012
20917 posts
Posted on 3/29/16 at 6:13 pm to
Don't bother. He is a senile old conservative fool.
Posted by TheOracle
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Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 3/29/16 at 6:15 pm to
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Don't bother. He is a senile old conservative fool.


Gotcha, kinda new around here
Posted by Gradual_Stroke
Bee Cave, TX
Member since Oct 2012
20917 posts
Posted on 3/29/16 at 6:18 pm to
He's a boomer who supports the war on drugs. Nuff said
Posted by finestfirst79
Vicksburg, Mississippi
Member since Nov 2012
11646 posts
Posted on 3/29/16 at 6:22 pm to
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Don't bother. He is a senile old conservative fool.



Posted by Gradual_Stroke
Bee Cave, TX
Member since Oct 2012
20917 posts
Posted on 3/29/16 at 6:25 pm to
You may be a damn old reactionary wingnut, but you're not a bad guy.
Posted by finestfirst79
Vicksburg, Mississippi
Member since Nov 2012
11646 posts
Posted on 3/29/16 at 6:26 pm to
Thank you so much. You cannot imagine how much your vote of approval means to me.
Posted by Gradual_Stroke
Bee Cave, TX
Member since Oct 2012
20917 posts
Posted on 3/29/16 at 6:28 pm to
But still slightly bad I see

This post was edited on 3/29/16 at 6:30 pm
Posted by finestfirst79
Vicksburg, Mississippi
Member since Nov 2012
11646 posts
Posted on 3/29/16 at 6:30 pm to
Posted by Gradual_Stroke
Bee Cave, TX
Member since Oct 2012
20917 posts
Posted on 3/29/16 at 6:31 pm to
I kid
This post was edited on 3/29/16 at 6:32 pm
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