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re: Police in Wash. Shoot Man Running From them with a rock in his hands.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 8:40 pm to RedPants
Posted on 2/12/15 at 8:40 pm to RedPants
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You really don't see the danger in leaving up to individual interpretation?
"He punched me in the stomach then stood over me, so I shot him! I felt threatened! Granted I slapped his wife's arse first, but whatever...."
I think most laws include a reasonableness requirement, that those feelings or beliefs of being threatened be reasonable. It is supposed to make it a more objective test instead of a subjective test of what that particular person felt. That persons belief of a threat is evidence, but not determinative of the issue. In other words, in the totality of the circumstances, was that person's belief reasonable. So just saying you felt threatened is not enough.
The thing you see when officers are involved is that juries are very typically going to defer to the officer's subjective belief, whether it was reasonable or not.
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Posted on 2/12/15 at 8:52 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
It's scary how much we've trained cops to be pussies...so afraid of dying, they're pretty much told to shoot first if there is any hint of danger, and ask questions later.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 9:10 pm to SCLibertarian
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You don't have a duty to retreat, but the law still demands that one used the requisite force necessary to eliminate the threat. Do we honestly think that being punched in a bar requires the use of deadly force? It is paradoxical how the concepts of self-defense and stand your ground, ideas supposedly rooted in protecting human life, seem to expose just how little value contemporary America has for human life.
First, google 'killed by punch' and you'll see just how much of a threat they can be.
Second, the requisite force needed to elminiate the threat doesn't mean I have to guess. If the attacker appears to be physically superior or even equal, then I have ZERO obligation to run away or HOPE I can win the fight.
Third, in a situation where I'm being attacked, the human life I place first is mine. Until that human life is secure, the life of the attacker is of no concern to me at all.
If you commit an unprovoked assault by punching someone in the face and wind up dead, the person that displayed little value in human life wasn't the shooter, it was you.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 9:18 pm to PrivatePublic
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It's scary how much we've trained cops to be pussies...so afraid of dying,
Wow and criminals will shoot a cop without hesitation, they resist, they try to harm by any means, they put themselves in this situation by their actions and get shot because of those actions.
Damn right the cops are fearful for their own life. They should be, they have very dangerous jobs and the criminal is the reason.
Sounds like the guy turned around in a attempt to do something to harm the cops. At that point how do they know he didn't pull a gun previously not used. The news videos said on that same block a week earlier their was an unsolved homicide by gun shots. Maybe the cops thought this guy was the killer or that crossed their minds.
criminals are going to start obeying the police and quit resisting arrest or continue to get shot, hopefully at some point the criminals will learn to surrender. I hope every last violent criminal who assaults cops, threatens them, resist them gets a bullet. Unfortunately it's the only way to get this new breed of criminals to comply. So sick of the criminal defenders. They can beat the shite out of people, steal, threaten, resist and then when they get their arse shot dead it somehow the polices fault.
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In the 22-second video, the man moves across the street from the pursuing policemen. He turns to face them briefly, lifting his right arm as if to throw another object, when they open fire, according to the video.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 10:42 pm to spacewrangler
Not all criminals are VIOLENT criminals. Petty criminals are not necessarily so DANGEROUS that they need to be shot without warning
Posted on 2/12/15 at 10:51 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
Garner v. TN. These guys gotta know their case law before hitting the streets.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 11:14 pm to JustGetItRight
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In this me, me, me society, it's time folks learned that there are consequences to their actions, sometimes lethal ones
This also applies to police. They feel their highest duty is to return home safely. That's a me me me choice.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 11:23 pm to spacewrangler
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At that point how do they know he didn't pull a gun previously not used.
By that logic cops should open fire on everyone they encounter because you never know if they have a hidden gun or not.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 11:25 pm to the808bass
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They feel their highest duty is to return home safely. That's a me me me choice.
Yup.
I have no problem with it, either.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 11:29 pm to TbirdSpur2010
I don't hate them for it.
But it's a bit hypocritical to ask the ordinary civilians to stop being me me me and say that behavior is fine for 5-0.
But it's a bit hypocritical to ask the ordinary civilians to stop being me me me and say that behavior is fine for 5-0.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 11:29 pm to the808bass
Welcome back
Posted on 2/12/15 at 11:31 pm to the808bass
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But it's a bit hypocritical to ask the ordinary civilians to stop being me me me and say that behavior is fine for 5-0.
I don't think so, only because ordinary civilians (typically) aren't putting their lives at risk to protect the law.
Posted on 2/13/15 at 12:10 am to Agforlife
Thanks. My goal is to not get banned again.
Posted on 2/13/15 at 12:27 am to the808bass
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This also applies to police. They feel their highest duty is to return home safely. That's a me me me choice.
So? My purpose is to protect society. I can't do that dead.
Posted on 2/13/15 at 8:13 am to PrivatePublic
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By that logic cops should open fire on everyone they encounter because you never know if they have a hidden gun or not.
You know that's not what I meant.
Nope, only the ones who have attempted to harm them or are making moves that a reasonable person could perceive as an action that would be consistent with pulling a gun.
This all could have been avoided if the Criminal would have just complied with the cops. He got killed because of his actions prior to the cops using their weapons.!
Don't attack cops, don't throw rocks at them, don't resist arrest and run, don't make moves that could be interpreted as pulling a gun. It is really a simple concept.
Posted on 2/13/15 at 8:17 am to BlackPawnMartyr
I feel like people are just trying to get shot now under the most ridiculous circumstances. Martyr themselves off or something.
Posted on 2/13/15 at 10:48 am to spacewrangler
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criminals are going to start obeying the police and quit resisting arrest or continue to get shot, hopefully at some point the criminals will learn to surrender. I hope every last violent criminal who assaults cops, threatens them, resist them gets a bullet.
Holy shite dude, you have some serious issues. Seek help.
Posted on 2/13/15 at 1:59 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
Why is illegal for a citizen to shoot a person running from them, but it's just fine for cops to shoot someone not threatening them by running?
Posted on 2/13/15 at 2:45 pm to GeeOH
If my neighbor starts throwing rocks at me and then I retaliate by having 3 of my buddies come over and we start unloading 9mm rounds into him...
I am pretty sure we are going to jail.
The video is pretty damning.
I am pretty sure we are going to jail.
The video is pretty damning.
Posted on 2/13/15 at 2:49 pm to Ancient Rome
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Yea thats what happened. He ran away, dropped his cell phone, picked it back up. Never pointed it...because its a cellphone...turned to run away and cop in the split second thought it was the weapon they later found on his waist. The end result may have been the same but there is no need to lie about the facts.
In that incident, it actually was a silver handgun.
LINK
The full 10 minute video from the body cam was released. Not sure why you want to post blatant lies, but okay.
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