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re: Police in Wash. Shoot Man Running From them with a rock in his hands.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:20 pm to The Spleen
Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:20 pm to The Spleen
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Everyone in this thread has drawn their own conclusions from the available info
I am pretty sure I'm one of the few that said there isn't evidence to make a decision either way.
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Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:23 pm to Alahunter
Correct, my mistake.
Everyone except Alahunter has drawn their own conclusions form the available info.
Everyone except Alahunter has drawn their own conclusions form the available info.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:25 pm to RogerTheShrubber
People gloss over how deadly blunt or edged weapons can be. However, (GIVEN THE LIMITED VIDEO PROVIDED!) this subject did not seem to pose too much of a danger with the way he threw the first rock. If that had been Roger Clemens chucking a rock at me from that close distance? Damn skippy he's getting shot.
As to the availability of Extended Range Impact Weapons due to the size of the department; oftentimes, smaller agencies can equip themselves easier than large ones due to federal grants.
As to the availability of Extended Range Impact Weapons due to the size of the department; oftentimes, smaller agencies can equip themselves easier than large ones due to federal grants.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:27 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
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Yea thats what happened. He ran away, dropped his cell phone, picked it back up. Never pointed it...because its a cellphone...turned to run away and cop in the split second thought it was the weapon they later found on his waist. The end result may have been the same but there is no need to lie about the facts.
But.... You just did?
Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:33 pm to SoFla Tideroller
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this subject did not seem to pose too much of a danger with the way he threw the first rock.
Yup and the jury is going to eat up testimony by this mother on the scene....
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“I really thought they were just going to walk up and tackle or tase him” Patrick said. “But they opened fire. His back was turned.”
Patrick’s wife, Shannon Patrick, also said that she witnessed the shooting and that the man was running away when he was shot in front of her young children and dozens of other witnesses.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:44 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
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“I really thought they were just going to walk up and tackle or tase him” Patrick said. “But they opened fire. His back was turned.”
And, if this is the case.. will do them in rightfully so. Everyone deserves their day in court. Unless they're Islamic heatherns.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:45 pm to Alahunter
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In this me, me, me society, it's time folks learned that there are consequences to their actions, sometimes lethal ones and they should act in a more civilized manner towards everyone and a less selfish and egocentric one.
Nail head, meet hammer.
Montgomery had a situation recently where some Faulkner football players decided to pull a home invasion robbery and one wound up shot dead by the resident.
In statements to the media, his father talked about how his son was a good guy, loved people, all the stuff you hear parents say but he also said "Just like the guy in Missouri and the guy in New York, my son would be alive if he wasn't breaking the law." and he was spot-on.
Maybe this new incident wasn't a justified shooting, maybe it was but there is one indisputable fact:
If he had not been throwing rocks at them he'd be alive right now. His poor choices were more responsible for his death than any other factor.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:49 pm to JustGetItRight
The police made poorest of choices
Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:55 pm to Spirit Of Aggieland
Very possible.. time will tell.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:56 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Much less lethal objects have killed people than rocks. It's a weapon whether you want to believe it was or not. Don't be a dumbass and throw shite at cops and you won't get shot.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 4:58 pm to RedPants
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So if I walk up to someone in a bar and punch him square in the face, do I deserve to be shot dead in retaliation? I just intentionally tried to injure, right?
Absolutely, and the law is on their side.
In something like 38 (maybe more) states, you have no duty to retreat. If you walk up and seriously assault (which a punch to the face is) an armed person unprovoked, whether you live or die in the next few minutes depends entirely on how much of a threat they perceive you to be and how proficient they are with their weapon.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:03 pm to Spirit Of Aggieland
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The police made poorest of choices
No they did not.
The video looks very bad and the witness accounts sound that bad or worse, so the shooter (or shooters, don't know how many fired) may well end up in prison but they are all still alive.
The guy that threw the rocks is dead. He's not dead because he chose to perform some heroic act or chose to die with dignity after fighting some dreaded disease. He's dead because he decided to say F the Police with a rock.
He most certainly made the poorest choice.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:06 pm to JustGetItRight
I disagree. He's dead because the police officers chose to shoot him
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:42 pm to JustGetItRight
I'm thinking if they would have shot his feet he would have said "ah shite! You shot my feet!" Dropped the rock, fell down and grabbed his feet.
He would be alive. The police would be safe and out of danger from rocks. Why doesn't this make since?
He would be alive. The police would be safe and out of danger from rocks. Why doesn't this make since?
Posted on 2/12/15 at 5:42 pm to Henry Jones Jr
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Don't punch someone if you don't want to deal with the repercussions. Some might feel their life is threatened. Who are you to say that they didn't feel their life was in danger if someone randomly comes up and assaults them?
Sweet Jesus, you are a politician's dream. Plenty dumb and willing to be loud about it.
You don't shoot someone because they punched you in the face or because they've thrown rocks at you. There is such a thing as escalation of force. Walter Sobchak's would be proud of many posters itt.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 6:26 pm to JustGetItRight
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So if I walk up to someone in a bar and punch him square in the face, do I deserve to be shot dead in retaliation? I just intentionally tried to injure, right? Absolutely, and the law is on their side. In something like 38 (maybe more) states, you have no duty to retreat. If you walk up and seriously assault (which a punch to the face is) an armed person unprovoked, whether you live or die in the next few minutes depends entirely on how much of a threat they perceive you to be and how proficient they are with their weapon.
You don't have a duty to retreat, but the law still demands that one used the requisite force necessary to eliminate the threat. Do we honestly think that being punched in a bar requires the use of deadly force? It is paradoxical how the concepts of self-defense and stand your ground, ideas supposedly rooted in protecting human life, seem to expose just how little value contemporary America has for human life.
Posted on 2/12/15 at 6:59 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
You ppl are pathetic
Posted on 2/12/15 at 7:35 pm to Robert Goulet
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You don't shoot someone because they punched you in the face or because they've thrown rocks at you.
Because punches to the face and rocks have NEVER killed anyone ever
Posted on 2/12/15 at 7:41 pm to SCLibertarian
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Do we honestly think that being punched in a bar requires the use of deadly force? It is paradoxical how the concepts of self-defense and stand your ground, ideas supposedly rooted in protecting human life, seem to expose just how little value contemporary America has for human life.
This in itself has many variables. Suppose you're 5'5" and weigh 140 lbs and the attacker is 6'5" and 330. If he is drunk and says he's gonna beat you to death.. then do you view self defense as a potential possibility?
Posted on 2/12/15 at 8:29 pm to Henry Jones Jr
The dude had attacked police previously. He was shouting, "Shoot me," to the police who were chasing him. Suicide by cop? Maybe?
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