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Posted on 6/14/16 at 6:35 pm to Old Sarge
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I agree it's a choice.
I don't want to steer your thread off the topic, but the question of why you think this in the face of so much evidence to the contrary begs to be asked. Maybe in another thread.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 6:58 pm to Kentucker
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The speaker thinks homosexuality is a choice.
Homosexuality is most certainly a choice. And I did think he made an interesting point about what he witnessed while watching news reports.
You can trace many of the ills of society today back to the continued disintegration of the family unit.
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 7:05 pm to kywildcatfanone
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Homosexuality is most certainly a choice.
When did you choose to be straight? Because I don't ever remember making that decision. I just am. Gay people don't choose to be gay any more than we choose to be straight. No one would willingly choose to be gay considering that many are harassed and even disowned by their family and looked down upon by the dregs of society.
Oh, and the "ills of society today" have always been there.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 7:10 pm to dmjones
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When did you choose to be straight?
I was made that way, just like everyone else. Anyone who is harassed for making that choice is being treated unfairly, I agree with that.
And of course society has always had issues, but you can see just how much we have regressed over the last 40-50 years.
More children born out of wedlock, absent fathers, more people on govt programs than ever before, more people with alcohol and drug issues.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 7:13 pm to dmjones
I disagree with you
And you can disagree with me, it's a choice you can make
And you can disagree with me, it's a choice you can make
Posted on 6/14/16 at 7:15 pm to kywildcatfanone
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Homosexuality is most certainly a choice.
Where's the evidence?
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And I did think he made an interesting point about what he witnessed while watching news reports.
He made a stupid assertion based on two guys texting their mothers and one mother at the horrible scene who couldn't find her son. He was lying dead on the nightclub floor, by the way. One of the guys texting his mother was also killed. He was telling her he was going to die.
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You can trace many of the ills of society today back to the continued disintegration of the family unit.
You mean the nuclear family unit. The fairy tale mother-father-and-kids unit where the Dad works and the Mom stays home.
That hasn't existed for a long time. The family is alive and well, though. It's as diverse as is our population, however.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 7:26 pm to Kentucker
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Where's the evidence?
Romans 1
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He made a stupid assertion
You may call it stupid, that's your right. I never said he was correct or not correct, just thought it was an interesting observation.
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That hasn't existed for a long time.
That's exactly what I said.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 7:27 pm to Kentucker
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He made a stupid assertion based on two guys texting their mothers and one mother at the horrible scene who couldn't find her son. He was lying dead on the nightclub floor, by the way. One of the guys texting his mother was also killed. He was telling her he was going to die.
Without derailing the thread with the choice/no choice topic, that guy's assertion is refuted by just watching a ball game. What do the alpha male hetero athletes say when the camera is in their face? It isn't hi dad.
Also, read any first person combat stories from pretty much any war ever and see who the wounded are calling out for - it isn't dad. We all seek maternal comfort at the time of our greatest need. It is just part of being human.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 7:27 pm to kywildcatfanone
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I was made that way, just like everyone else.
Have you ever met an intersexed person? Someone who has the sex organs of both genders? Would you say they're straight?
Do you know any transsexuals, homosexuals, bisexuals, asexuals, transgenders?
On what is your rationale based?
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Anyone who is harassed for making that choice is being treated unfairly, I agree with that.
If there was evidence that people do actually choose their sexuality, I'd be vehemently opposed to giving protections or equal rights to anyone not choosing to be straight. I'm conservative like that.
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And of course society has always had issues, but you can see just how much we have regressed over the last 40-50 years.
A positive assessment of the past 40-50 years is that we've learned as a society that people are not all the same and we've changed to accommodate their differences.
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More children born out of wedlock, absent fathers, more people on govt programs than ever before, more people with alcohol and drug issues.
This social "decay" is not the result of the changing family. Rather, it's the consequence of our decrepit political system that rewards people for their votes. Vote farming is the single greatest danger to our society.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 7:33 pm to Kentucker
Societal evolution is fine with me as long as it's constructive and not destructive.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 7:33 pm to kywildcatfanone
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Romans 1
Do you accept that secular evidence should override religious evidence in determining the rights of Americans?
Do you love an America that values its downtrodden as much as its privileged groups?
Posted on 6/14/16 at 7:39 pm to kywildcatfanone
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Societal evolution is fine with me as long as it's constructive and not destructive.
Well, we've been evolving at a furious pace since the 1960s and we haven't sunk yet. In fact, we're stronger than ever before.
The diversity of peoples enjoying the liberties guaranteed by our fantastic Constitution is broader than ever. Broader than I could ever have imagined it could be.
We truly do live in the best nation on earth.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 7:42 pm to Kentucker
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Do you accept that secular evidence should override religious evidence in determining the rights of Americans?
I'm not religious. Anything manmade is subject to scrutiny, as it should be. Lots of scientists on either side of the equation. Global warming is a good example of ever changing viewpoints, sometimes by the same people.
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Do you love an America that values its downtrodden as much as its privileged groups?
Yes, it makes the United States unique compared to most of the world. We should always care for those struggling and needing help. Are you trying to imply that someone claiming to be gay is somehow downtrodden in America today?
Posted on 6/14/16 at 7:52 pm to kywildcatfanone
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I'm not religious.
Dayum, dude. That threw me for a loop.
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Anything manmade is subject to scrutiny, as it should be.
Not exactly sure what you mean by this.
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Yes, it makes the United States unique compared to most of the world. We should always care for those struggling and needing help.
As long as they're willing to help themselves and not depend on government for hand-outs. quote:
Are you trying to imply that someone claiming to be gay is somehow downtrodden in America today?
Using persecuted as a synonym for downtrodden, yes, absolutely. Gay people, in fact all sexual minorities have been brutally persecuted until the 21st century in America.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:09 pm to kywildcatfanone
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I'm not religious
Then why the Romans reference? I'm not religious and I couldn't tell you what Romans 1 is.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:22 pm to kywildcatfanone
This last page and a half is among the most ignorant fricking things I've ever read. No wonder I don't feel bad for trolling you fricking guys.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:55 pm to Stacked
Because everyone that doesn't believe as you believe or share your opinions is ignorant? 
You need to learn to be more inclusive and tolerant of others
You need to learn to be more inclusive and tolerant of others
Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:01 pm to Old Sarge
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You need to learn to be more inclusive and tolerant of others
I'm sorry is the person who tells me I'll spend eternity separated in hell telling me I need to be more inclusive?
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Because everyone that doesn't believe as you believe or share your opinions is ignorant?
I want you to say that sentence out loud and then repeat "The Same Applies To Me Talking About Being A Christian."
But to answer your question, no, it isn't ignorant because others don't think like me, it's ignorant because what you said is fricking stupid. There will never be a reason more than that.
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:02 pm to Stacked
You are behaving like an intolerant bigot
This post was edited on 6/14/16 at 9:05 pm
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