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Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:03 am to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 6/14/16 at 8:03 am to TbirdSpur2010
Used to be able to go to the BBC for straight shooting honest news reports but even they seem to have a slight agenda hint these days at times
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Posted on 6/14/16 at 9:15 am to Old Sarge
Yeah they haven't been unbiased since the mid 00's, tbh.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 10:23 am to Old Sarge
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I posted the official definition of homegrown terrorism written into law by those that created the term and you are arguing against it
You posted the correct definition, yes. You failed to apply the facts to that definition.
18 U.S.C. § 2331 defines domestic terrorism and international terrorism for purposes of criminal prosecution. There are three parts to both definitions. THE FIRST TWO PARTS FOR EACH ARE THE EXACT SAME:
1) Dangerous to human life and in violation of state/fed law
2) Intended to intimidate civilian pop OR influence policy of gov't OR affect the conduct of gov't
What this means is that if you have a problem w/ part 2, as you clearly stated you did in your previous post, you're not making an argument against a label of DOMESTIC/HOMEGROWN vs INTERNATIONAL. You're actually making an argument that it IS NOT TERRORISM AT ALL.
The third part is actually the key.
International definition part 3: "Occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S., or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum."
Domestic definition part 3: "Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S." (FISA offers a similar definition that exchanges "primarily" for "totally").
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Stop, take a breath, realize you are wrong and move on
Posted on 6/14/16 at 11:05 am to WheelRoute
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Homegrown terrorism or domestic terrorism is commonly associated with violent acts committed by citizens or permanent residents of a state against their own people or property within that state without foreign influence in an effort to instill fear on a population or government as a tactic designed to advance political, religious, or ideological objectives.[1]
Posted on 6/14/16 at 11:45 am to Old Sarge
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He's completely lost touch with reality. How could anyone call this home grown extremism
Obama's a POS liberal progressive with an agenda. He knows what he's doing and from most perspectives it's not in the best interests of the U.S.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 11:55 am to GurleyGirl
Thanks for the lecture, Obama, during a time of pain for our country. Thanks for reminding us all of how tolerant you are and how we all should strive to be more like you. Thanks guy, for telling us how we should and should not label our known enemies (when you originally called them 'JV').
This arrogant, narcissistic a-hole is unfit to our our President. I'm sure the victims' families were thrilled that you dove into a petty political diatribe during a national security speech regarding ISIS and the attacks in Orlando. What is he even talking about??? I mean, that speech was literally embarrassing.
My God. Help us.
This arrogant, narcissistic a-hole is unfit to our our President. I'm sure the victims' families were thrilled that you dove into a petty political diatribe during a national security speech regarding ISIS and the attacks in Orlando. What is he even talking about??? I mean, that speech was literally embarrassing.
My God. Help us.
This post was edited on 6/14/16 at 11:56 am
Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:28 pm to WheelRoute
I quoted originally the actual legislation that created the term
You intermingled domestic with homegrown
You intermingled domestic with homegrown
Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:43 pm to Old Sarge
This reminds me of when I spent years in the agriculture industry. In Honduras I was growing tobacco, attempting to take Cuban seeds and produce a Cuban product to bypass the embargo and profit off of Americans.
I had no success. The soil I used made the tobacco too Honduran to be Cuban. And the seeds made the tobacco too Cuban to be Honduran.
I assure you, no matter the location, he was not an American seed. He was a seed from somewhere else who was grown in foreign soil. Making him a poor representation of both.
And gay.
I had no success. The soil I used made the tobacco too Honduran to be Cuban. And the seeds made the tobacco too Cuban to be Honduran.
I assure you, no matter the location, he was not an American seed. He was a seed from somewhere else who was grown in foreign soil. Making him a poor representation of both.
And gay.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 12:44 pm to Old Sarge
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I quoted originally the actual legislation that created the term
You quoted the Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007. It didn't pass, thus its definition isn't law. Then you cited a Wiki article. Regardless, I don't think Obama used the term "homegrown" as a knowing reference to the VRHTPA (and I doubt you do, either). Most likely, he used it as interchangeable with "domestic."
Not that it really matters because homegrown vs domestic is a distinction without meaning here. For the purposes of this discussion, Mateen satisfies both definitions.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 1:01 pm to WheelRoute
Posted on 6/14/16 at 1:02 pm to Stacked
Darn those gay tobacco seeds 
Posted on 6/14/16 at 1:09 pm to Old Sarge
Every time I see someone call President Obama dumb I laugh. It's the funnies shyt ever, gotta love the Souf
Posted on 6/14/16 at 1:37 pm to kiNupe5
Didnt say he was dumb, pussy. I just said he's an embarrassment, arrogant and a coward.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 1:37 pm to kiNupe5
I didn't call him dumb, I said he's lost touch with reality
Posted on 6/14/16 at 1:47 pm to Old Sarge
I haven't seen anyone in this thread mention that it's come out now that this guy was a closet case who had frequented the Pulse bar many times before this shooting. It doesn't really change anything but it does add a layer of self-hatred to his actions. The guy was secretly gay, had profiles on gay dating apps, went to this bar many times and ultimately came back and murdered these citizens.
It really sounds like he couldn't reconcile his sexuality with the fundamentalist religion he was brought up in and he lashed out.
It really sounds like he couldn't reconcile his sexuality with the fundamentalist religion he was brought up in and he lashed out.
Posted on 6/14/16 at 2:17 pm to americanrealism
Not one person has come forward to say he ever did any sort of gay act
But many have come forward and given statements about him
1. Celebrating 9/11 to the point he was kicked out of school for it
2. Making multiple 911 calls while murdering people to pledge allegiance to Isis
But many have come forward and given statements about him
1. Celebrating 9/11 to the point he was kicked out of school for it
2. Making multiple 911 calls while murdering people to pledge allegiance to Isis
Posted on 6/14/16 at 2:20 pm to americanrealism
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I haven't seen anyone in this thread mention that it's come out now that this guy was a closet case
Maybe because it hasn't come out? There's been speculation but it has now come out that his current wife drove him to Pulse on some of his trips. Her involvement makes it sound like those trips were scouting missions.
This post was edited on 6/14/16 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 6/14/16 at 2:24 pm to JustGetItRight
Stop posting those lies!
No! No! No!
He's just a victim, a closet gay guy that couldn't come to terms with his desires
ALL of the evidence on his computer and his 911 calls giving Isis credit and allegiance was JUST AN ELABORATE SMOKESCREEN
No! No! No!
He's just a victim, a closet gay guy that couldn't come to terms with his desires
ALL of the evidence on his computer and his 911 calls giving Isis credit and allegiance was JUST AN ELABORATE SMOKESCREEN
Posted on 6/14/16 at 2:36 pm to Old Sarge
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Stop posting those lies!
Can't. I'm a part of the vast right wing conspiracy. It's a membership requirement.
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