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re: Judge rules against opponents of removing Confederate memorials ...
Posted on 2/7/16 at 1:49 am to TbirdSpur2010
Posted on 2/7/16 at 1:49 am to TbirdSpur2010
And I hope you don't find it creepy, but I just friend requested you on Facebook after you posted your RL name. And after seeing more pictures, I can't believe I'm the first person to tell you that you look like Harold Perrineau. DEAD RINGER!!!
And, scrooster, I've had a reputation on this board for mercilessly eviscerating idiots and I have been trying to turn a new kinder, gentler leaf but you, you yellow bellied cock, are just about the most disgusting and ignorant and worst type of stereotypical angry white southern man I have ever had the displeasure to encounter.
And I live in Alabama.
I truly - not wishing this on you personally - can't wait for the day when your generation of "men" shuffle off to your great reward and your collective voice of angry, loud ignorance is no longer heard.
I was born and raised in the South, I love living here, and I love ALMOST everything (frick Roy Moore) about it. I am prideful and vocal about the greatness of the South. It takes a real turd in the Southern punchbowl to make me feel ashamed about the South.
Consider yourself that proverbial turd in my Southern punch bowl.
I would say "bless your heart" but that's reserved for women with no manners and tacky fashion sense and men with mullets. You just get a "frick you".
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Posted on 2/7/16 at 2:19 am to sms151t
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The issue some have with the removal was the bs way the decision was made.
If the citizenry votes then do what they want. But it was done behind closed doors then a council vote with no real opposition allowed to speak.
Bingo, and we have the winner. Majority of the city, and even more of the state, are against removal. So the mayor, who should be working for the people, is doing the complete opposite.
Never mind that he could care less about fixing crime(which affects our economy), or even paying the firemen, what they are owed(granted that goes back through many mayor's).
Posted on 2/7/16 at 2:37 am to Tiger Live2
And one thing I find complete BS, are the people saying, taking down the monuments, will decrease crime, and unemployment in the Black Community.
That's completely obsurd. For one, since this happened, we as a city, have become even more divided. And I have never seen a statue take someone's job.
Especially considering, one of the statues they want to remove, is of a US veteran, that advocated for civil rights, and voting rights, for the freed slaves.
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That's completely obsurd. For one, since this happened, we as a city, have become even more divided. And I have never seen a statue take someone's job.
Especially considering, one of the statues they want to remove, is of a US veteran, that advocated for civil rights, and voting rights, for the freed slaves.
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He was active in the Reform Party, an association of conservative New Orleans businessmen, which spoke in favor of civil rights and voting for the recently freed slaves,
Posted on 2/7/16 at 7:40 am to Lima Whiskey
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I would encourage you to actually study the Civil War before making these profound statements.
If you'd prefer the comfortable moral superiority that ignorance provides, well, then you could always move up north. At least there people will agree with you.
Ah, the old attack on intelligence when all else fails...And I can see there is still some bitterness to "people up north". How silly and nonsensical.
Let me run the same idea by you again, since you apparently were unable to grasp the concept the first couple of times it was mentioned..Since one of the tenets the war fought upon was indeed the right to own slaves, and the confederacy voraciously fought against the union for the right to do this and the right to the idea that the black man was sub-human...what part of "failing to honor enemies of the united states" do you not comprehend?
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Posted on 2/7/16 at 8:26 am to Mullet Flap
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honor enemies of the united states"
You mean the United States Veterans?
Posted on 2/7/16 at 9:40 am to Tiger Live2
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You mean the United States Veterans?
Confederate veterans? What about the fact that they were veterans makes them any less of an enemy?
Posted on 2/7/16 at 10:39 am to TbirdSpur2010
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It's usually a combination of misplaced pride, insensitivity, overreaction to political correctness, passive-aggressive racism, traditionalism, and/or garden-variety stubbornness.
Probably some I'm not listing, but those are a few of the hoops apologists jump through to convolute the concept.
It is what it is.
No one is being an apologist for slavery Tbird ... no one.
And it has nothing to do with pride. Pride for what might I ask?
And no one is more sensitive to the issue than am I ... the difference is that I am sensitive to BOTH sides, thus my repeated assertion that a compromise needs to be reached.
Political correctness is an overreaction in and unto itself ... therefore, the law of physics would seem to dictate that for each action there is an equal and opposite reaction. As far as an overreaction to political correctness is concerned ... that's not possible since an overreaction would indicate, or imply, a reaction that exceeds the initial reaction ... which is the overreaching philosophy of political correctness in the first place.
Does that make any sense at all? The definition of political correctness defines it as an extreme ...
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the avoidance, often considered as taken to extremes, of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against.
The passive-aggressive racism thing. That's pure hypocrisy. Racism exists on both sides and is used by the left as a false narrative for political purposes.
Racism is the easiest thing in the world to eliminate ... it truly is ... on both sides. The first thing is to admit both sides are guilty of it and the second thing is to accept it as human nature and move on to allowing nature to take its course ... which nature always does.
Where labeling certain classes and peoples with the word "racist" is only going to lead to push back, especially when used for political purposes or advantages ... not to mention the stereotyping involved with using it in political attacks ... it's never going to end well. It's all rhetoric designed to rustle the masses' jimmies.
IMHO "white privilege" is a racist, bigoted false narratve as well.
Traditionalism ... Southerners have many great traditions as part of our culture. Our college sports, our cooking, our manners, our gentleness and our family values which normally includes our religion among other things. Yet the MSM, the Hollywood elites, et al, all portray Southerners as racists, ignorant uneducated whites ... and nothing could be farther from the truth. The negative portrayal of Southerners is a false narrative. In fact, all races get-along far better here in the South than in any other region of the country. We've all learned to live together.
Garden-variety stubbornness ... that one I will agree with Tbird. We do tend to be a bit more stubborn down here for whatever reason, perhaps we are raised that way. But it applies to all Southern born races and it is not necessarily a bad thing ... except when mixed with too much pride.
It is what it is.
Posted on 2/7/16 at 11:17 am to scrooster
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No one is being an apologist for slavery Tbird ... no one.
I was referring to being an apologist for the confederate cause.
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And it has nothing to do with pride. Pride for what might I ask?
If I had a dollar for every time some confederate apologist cited "Southern pride," as the reason to fly their flag, I'd be wealthy.
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no one is more sensitive to the issue than am I ... the difference is that I am sensitive to BOTH sides
No you are not
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Political correctness is an overreaction in and unto itself
Nah, it really isn't. There is a time and place for such. At one point, referring to Asians as "orientals" was acceptable and common. However, it was brought to the attention of the collective that that descriptor wasn't necessarily kosher. So, most decent people quit using the term.
It's not about "oh we must follow every bit of PC-ness out there," because there's some damn silly stuff that flies under the flag of political correctness. But basic stuff like being cognizant of racial connotations of symbols and descriptors should be less about the PC debate and more about respecting your fellow man.
You want to talk about how all races get along better in the South than anywhere else? Start here.
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Traditionalism ... Southerners have many great traditions as part of our culture. Our college sports, our cooking, our manners, our gentleness and our family values which normally includes our religion among other things. Yet the MSM, the Hollywood elites, et al, all portray Southerners as racists, ignorant uneducated whites ... and nothing could be farther from the truth. The negative portrayal of Southerners is a false narrative.
The south DOES have so many great traditions. So many much more wholesome and less divisive than cherishing the one that, had it succeeded, would have rent our country asunder. PEOPLE (not just whites) who hold onto that tradition truly are ignorant--there's no "false narrative" for the proverbial "they" to construct in that regard. People like you write that narrative for them.
And, for the record, it's damn tiring how many people on both sides want to make the confederate issue a Left vs. Right one. It's bigger than that. A conservative doesn't have to believe in glorifying a sordid part of history, nor are liberals immune from wanting to preserve the same.
As a conservative black man, it's disheartening to get called a liberal, sight unseen, because of ONE issue that should transcend party lines. It's absurd, and puts into stark relief why some minorities are hesitant to declare their conservatism with their votes instead of just their voices. Because of conservatives like you, scrooster, who give the rest of us a bad name.
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all races get-along far better here in the South than in any other region of the country.
This is debatable. Extremely debatable.
Especially given the subject of our current conversation.
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it applies to all Southern born races and it is not necessarily a bad thing ... except when mixed with too much pride.
Exactly. Some Southerners, such as yourself, put too much pride in an extremely divisive cause. To paraphrase you from earlier in this thread, it's time to get over it, give it up, and move on
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Posted on 2/7/16 at 1:57 pm to Dawgholio
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They didn't win. The South is just waiting for the respawn
THE SOUTH WILL SPAWN AGAIN.
Posted on 2/7/16 at 7:50 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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I was referring to being an apologist for the confederate cause.
Some of us defend the confederate cause with regard to the states' rights issue. No one is apologizing for slavery ... it was wrong, no one that I know denies that - but why should we be expected to apologize for it. We're not the ones who instituted it in the first place.
I dunno ... lemme try it this way.
Would you apologize for the actions of african-americans when they loot and burn at every drop of the hat ... power outages, hurricanes, whatever? Would you apologize for that tbird? Or how about when african-americans play the knockout game sneaking up behind defenseless whites and pounding them in the nugget ... sometimes killing, sometimes brain-damaging the innocent victims?
Would you apologize for them because you're black?
I wouldn't expect you to. So why should Southern whites have to keep apologizing for what "a few" southern whites did 150-350 years ago? And, btw, it was not only practiced in the South ... that too is a false narrative.
The "confederate cause" was as much about not wanting the yankee north dictating to us in the South ... and that's what is missing from the dialogue. The north was more populated, it had a bigger voting base, garnered more electoral votes and thus it was telling us every move to make ... about EVERYTHING - not just slavery. All of the other things are not debatable - they are historic fact.
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If I had a dollar for every time some confederate apologist cited "Southern pride," as the reason to fly their flag, I'd be wealthy.
Well, that I can see and understand. I empathize with you there to some degree. That's part of our hard-headed nature I guess.
Listen, this doesn't only happen in the United States, it happens everywhere. When my wife and I are in Italy there are debates going-on between northern and southern Italians, just as contentious ... northern Italians have their regional flags they fly that more closely tie them with Austria - while southern Italians have their regional flags that they fly that more closely tie them with their Roman heritage and even their north African heritage.
There are similar, much more contentious battles going-on right now in Spain ... where succession is being contemplated, as well as the United Kingdom where the Scots and Brits and Irish are concerned ... much more heated, hate-filled, rhetoric going-on ... more than you probably realize. It's not something particular to just the United States.
And Good Lord ... you do not want to get into regional flag flying disputes in Israel and Lebanon. Those often turn bloody ... we've witnessed them first hand, people being chopped-up over flying a flag.
It's simply human nature ... only nature is going to change it, over time. Natural course stuff.
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No you are not
You're wrong about that Tbird ... you're wrong, more than you know. Doesn't matter, I have no desire to try to convince you otherwise, but you're wrong Tbird.
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Nah, it really isn't. There is a time and place for such. At one point, referring to Asians as "orientals" was acceptable and common. However, it was brought to the attention of the collective that that descriptor wasn't necessarily kosher. So, most decent people quit using the term.
It's not about "oh we must follow every bit of PC-ness out there," because there's some damn silly stuff that flies under the flag of political correctness. But basic stuff like being cognizant of racial connotations of symbols and descriptors should be less about the PC debate and more about respecting your fellow man.
Human nature Tbird ... you cannot legislate morality or ethics or human nature. You just cannot. You don't know what slights might be perceived from the other side that causes someone to have a particular perception.
Need I really offer examples?
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As a conservative black man, it's disheartening to get called a liberal, sight unseen ...
Ohhhhh, you mean like it's disheartening to be labeled a racist sight unseen?
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This is debatable. Extremely debatable.
Especially given the subject of our current conversation.
Live in the real South first ... then pass judgement.
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Exactly. Some Southerners, such as yourself, put too much pride in an extremely divisive cause. To paraphrase you from earlier in this thread, it's time to get over it, give it up, and move on
Extremely divisive causes work both ways.
If you want to paraphrase me ... paraphrase me on the compromise pleadings.
That's my halftime rant.
Posted on 2/7/16 at 8:10 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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One and the same.
No, it's really not.
Posted on 2/7/16 at 8:41 pm to greenbastard
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Bitch all you want about blacks being a majority in those sports, but you have no one to blame but your ancestors. Your hateful little southern great-great-great grandpappys practiced eugenics in order to get the strongest and fastest slaves on their fields. If you're bothered by all that blackness on the football field, blame your roots.
It does bother me that this experiment back fired on us. With that said, I still get a grin knowing that all these big fantastic athletes
would not exist if it wasn't for the power of the Whiteman. You're welcome.
Posted on 2/7/16 at 9:17 pm to AUbagman
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No, it's really not.
Yes, it really is
Posted on 2/7/16 at 9:25 pm to scrooster
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Some of us defend the confederate cause with regard to the states' rights issue.
The biggest state right being fought for was the right to own slaves. That's coming from CSA officials' mouths themselves.
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why should Southern whites have to keep apologizing for what "a few" southern whites did 150-350 years ago?
I'm not now, nor have I ever been, asking for an apology. This is a strawman that you've constructed when it comes to our conversation and keep going back to like a broken record.
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btw, it was not only practiced in the South
No one has intimated otherwise. Nor does that have any bearing on this particular discussion. This is deflection on your part.
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The "confederate cause" was as much about not wanting the yankee north dictating to us in the South
Apparently the South needed some dictating to, because y'all continued to act a fool
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You're wrong about that Tbird ... you're wrong, more than you know. Doesn't matter, I have no desire to try to convince you otherwise, but you're wrong Tbird.
I am correct. Per par.
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Ohhhhh, you mean like it's disheartening to be labeled a racist sight unseen?
You've demonstrated your racism itt and others. We've all seen it. It's a running joke, for pete's sake. A well-earned label for you, I'm afraid. But go ahead and rationalize it some more
In my case, I've demonstrated my conservatism my entire time on this site. Not an analogous situation.
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Live in the real South first ... then pass judgement.
I was born in the real South (Alabama). And have lived there (Mississippi and Virginia). And I have passed my judgment.
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If you want to paraphrase me ... paraphrase me on the compromise pleadings.
I'll paraphrase what I see fit.
How about you type your name first, you coward
This post was edited on 2/7/16 at 9:30 pm
Posted on 2/7/16 at 9:30 pm to TbirdSpur2010
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Yes, it really is
Posted on 2/7/16 at 9:34 pm to AUbagman
Posted on 2/7/16 at 9:37 pm to Calvin Candie
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Calvin Candie
I just get a kick out of your username, tbh
Posted on 2/7/16 at 9:46 pm to TbirdSpur2010
end of conversation for me Tbird ... regards/
Posted on 2/7/16 at 9:48 pm to scrooster
Posted on 2/7/16 at 10:25 pm to Mullet Flap
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Confederate veterans? What about the fact that they were veterans makes them any less of an enemy?
All 3 were United States Veterans, before the Civil War.
I will never fault a man, fighting to protect HIS home.
Remember Lee, was asked by Lincoln to lead the Union, but he would NOT fight against his home.(Virginia)
I sure as hell would never actively fight/war against Louisiana.
How many Texans would fight against TX?
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