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Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:25 pm to Lima Whiskey
Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:25 pm to Lima Whiskey
I minored in American history and focused on the civil war and reconstruction.
It is very useful for Internet discussions but not much else.....
It is very useful for Internet discussions but not much else.....
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 6:42 pm to JustGetItRight
Not going to enter much back into this other than history and geography type talk
But JGIR do you call battles Manassas, Elkhorn Tavern
-or-
1st Bull Run, Pea Ridge
I have mentioned earlier in thread why I ask this
But JGIR do you call battles Manassas, Elkhorn Tavern
-or-
1st Bull Run, Pea Ridge
I have mentioned earlier in thread why I ask this
Posted on 2/8/16 at 9:05 pm to Mullet Flap
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Mullet Flap
You do understand, that if you wanna call anyone a traitor to the United States and it's constitution, you should direct it to all things Union. You do understand, The Confederacy fought to preserve the constitution.
Right or wrong, owning flesh was a legal right in the constitution. They were just preserving the blue print our founding fathers designed. So when you say "what the United States stood for" and claim Union Victory, you are wrong.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 9:41 pm to sms151t
I'll use them interchangeably but I tend to lean towards the name that incorporates the geographic location which is usually the Confederate name. That isn't due to any sense of loyalty or obligation, just that it makes the most sense to me but there are exceptions like Antietam where the creek really was the location of the battle and Pea Ridge for pretty much the same reason.
Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:05 pm to JustGetItRight
I hate that they're tearing down the statue... The federal gov't took all of R.E. Lee's land and his home and built a big fricking graveyard on it and now they're tearing down statues of him... It's true what they say, dead people can't defend themselves.
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Posted on 2/8/16 at 10:50 pm to JustGetItRight
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I can't speak for wadewilson, but as a battlefield commander, PTG Beauregard was pretty inept.
All of this, plus, he just had very poor relationships with other generals and Davis.
He was not tactically or logistically sound, and took a lot of credit for the work of more skilled battlefield commanders.
On Shiloh, his bad organizational skills caused confusion in the front, but even with that, he pushed Grant's army back. He had the kill shot, but backed off in the night. Grant was reinforced the next day and kicked Beauregard's arse.
Then he abandoned a rail junction without fighting and decided to take some sick days.
He was demoted and disgraced after that, and sent to defend Charleston, where he probably did his best work in the war. He beat back the Union navy, and experimented with some pretty advanced naval concepts.
His genius master plan, never realized, was to gut Lee's forces in Virginia, cut off Grant's army causing the siege of Vicksburg to lift, and use a fleet of torpedo boats to take New Orleans back. Nobody gave a shite for his opinion by this time.
Most of the rest of his war was marked by poor communication to Lee and his peers, and him dancing around like a headless chicken while Sherman blitzkrieged to the Atlantic.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 4:40 am to wadewilson
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wadewilson
to you and JustGetItRight. Manassas? That's where the South could of likely easily taken Washington, but didn't pursue the retreating soldiers, but instead collect useful items left by the North?
Posted on 2/9/16 at 5:35 am to Tiger Live2
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Manassas? That's where the South could of likely easily taken Washington, but didn't pursue the retreating soldiers, but instead collect useful items left by the North?
People make taking Washington sound a lot easier than it would have been, but yes that is the battle. It is also known as the first Bull Run (there were two battles of Manassas/Bull Run during the war).
Both sides were disorganized at that point of the war but the fact remains that the Union army was smashed and no effort to follow up and push them was made. The Union had been so confident of victory they treated it like some sort of ball game and numerous people came out to watch. When the Union army collapsed, they got caught up in the rout and a sitting congressman was captured by the confederates. The psychological value of even a limited advance on Washington would have been tremendous.
Posted on 2/9/16 at 6:59 am to Tiger Live2
Yeah, sorry I didn't respond more in depth earlier.
One thing that I haven't seen touched on is that some failure can be attributed to the fact that while the Confederacy had some great, battle-tested and well-trained generals, a lot of the rank and file had no military experience.
Beauregard never seemed to grasp this, and never planned for it.
This thread is making me want to reread Gods and Generals and The Killer Angels.
One thing that I haven't seen touched on is that some failure can be attributed to the fact that while the Confederacy had some great, battle-tested and well-trained generals, a lot of the rank and file had no military experience.
Beauregard never seemed to grasp this, and never planned for it.
This thread is making me want to reread Gods and Generals and The Killer Angels.
Posted on 2/10/16 at 8:54 pm to TigerTalker16
This thread delivers.
Posted on 2/11/16 at 5:12 am to scrooster
This is why we need Trump
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