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re: I blame The South for Confederate nescience
Posted on 6/26/15 at 11:33 pm to Sleeping Tiger
Posted on 6/26/15 at 11:33 pm to Sleeping Tiger
The oil boom was over 40 years after 1865.
This post was edited on 6/26/15 at 11:34 pm
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Posted on 6/26/15 at 11:33 pm to TeLeFaWx
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So if you didn't own a slave, what were you producing that fell under the export tariff? The inn keeper? The cobbler? The blacksmith? The same people that owned slaves were the ones paying the tariff. Your math doesn't add up.
Saw this coming 2 miles away.
This goes both ways, against what you said, and against what I said.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 11:34 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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The oil boom was over 40 years after 1865.
Yeah, that's the point.
A lot of people have moved down there recently (by recent I mean the last few decades).
They don't have any allegiance to this kind of truth.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 11:35 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Why do an overwhelming amount of Aggies not associate the state of Texas with the Confederate States from 1861-1865?
I was born and grew up in Texas and Texas was absolutely a big part of the Confederacy. Personally I grew up a Sam Houston fan (opposed secession, later kicked out of his governor's position for that).
And when playing BattleCry against neighborhood future Baylor kid I always wanted to be the North, he always wanted to be the South, because this time the South might win. He never went home happy
.Posted on 6/26/15 at 11:36 pm to Sleeping Tiger
But east Texas has the close familial and cultural ties to the South.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 11:37 pm to Sleeping Tiger
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Saw this coming 2 miles away.
This goes both ways, against what you said, and against what I said.
What percentage of southern families owned slaves?
Posted on 6/26/15 at 11:38 pm to TeLeFaWx
Over 90% were owned by 10%.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 11:39 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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But east Texas has the close familial and cultural ties to the South.
Yeah..
A lot of people in east Texas side with the South..
Also a lot of people have moved to that region from places outside the South in the last 100 years.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 11:41 pm to finestfirst79
I've never looked at it like that. My ancestors were on the wrong side of history, but I've never been ashamed of that.
This post was edited on 6/26/15 at 11:46 pm
Posted on 6/26/15 at 11:42 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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Over 90% were owned by 10%.
You didnt answer the question. What percentage of southern families owned slaves?
Posted on 6/26/15 at 11:43 pm to Sleeping Tiger
We're arguing semantics now. I just thought a disproportionate amount of Aggies take the view I suggested. I expected it from Mizzou fans. Not Aggies.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 11:45 pm to TeLeFaWx
There are disputed numbers. But no more than 25% by 1861.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 11:49 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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There are disputed numbers. But no more than 25% by 1861.
Including the Northern border states, that dragged that number down, that's true. But in Mississippi and South Carolina that number was about 50%, and the 50% that didn't own slaves were generally too poo to. To act as if slavery wasn't integral to almost everyone in the Deep South's way of life is beyond asinine. When people like Sleeping Tiger say things like "96% of people didn't own slaves" I just can't take them seriously. In South Carolina and Mississippi, half of the families owned slaves, and the other half wished they did. It's just laughable that people say the Civil War wasn't about slavery.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 11:50 pm to TeLeFaWx
It was without any doubt about slavery.
Posted on 6/26/15 at 11:54 pm to CapstoneGrad06
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I've never looked at it like that. My ancestors were on the wrong side of history, but I've been never ashamed of that.
I'm not in the least ashamed of it. I just don't get why people want to fly a flag reminding everybody of a horrific defeat. And then there's the racist part, which thanks to Georgia and South Carolina nobody can deny.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 12:00 am to CapstoneGrad06
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We're arguing semantics now. I just thought a disproportionate amount of Aggies take the view I suggested.
Well, of those that have chimed in here lately you have 2 former United States of fricking America military officers, and TeLeFaWx... I never know what he's thinking to be honest
Posted on 6/27/15 at 12:00 am to finestfirst79
The only confederate flag in my home is in books. It was that way growing up. It's that way now.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 12:02 am to finestfirst79
Where did the majority of the CSA hierarchy get their education? Some place in New York. But that's beside the point.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 12:04 am to finestfirst79
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Well, of those that have chimed in here lately you have 2 former United States of fricking America military officers, and TeLeFaWx... I never know what he's thinking to be honest
It changes from week to week. I've never claimed consistency.
Posted on 6/27/15 at 12:06 am to CapstoneGrad06
Things are different. I think back then most everyone including military officers identified themselves as Georgians or Texans or whatever before Americans. Now, not so much. I'm an American and I would guess so are you, before any state affiliation.
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