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re: How did it come to this?
Posted on 11/8/16 at 4:19 pm to olddawg26
Posted on 11/8/16 at 4:19 pm to olddawg26
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You claim obama wanted to take away gun rights. Gun control didn't change
He did try. That they didn't doesn't change that he attempted to restrict the 2nd Amendment more than it is now.
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can't go anywhere from no where
You can't go anywhere, because if you look at any of his speeches about gun control, you will see I'm spot on and your argument is crap.
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I appreciate you getting so upset you start calling me lazy, but I'll take the high road
Translation, you won't attempt to back up your statement.
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. You'll think my source is biased and I'll probably think the same about yours
I'd be fine with, like I said.. what came straight out of his mouth. Don't know why you'd be at odds with that.
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You are however moving the goalposts from me saying explain how he "hates freedom" to his numbers as a president
Gun control, healthcare. 2 pretty straight forward examples.
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Not what I consider a "freedom hater" but whatever
Of course not, folks that have your mindset think that as long as something is kinda good for some of the people, no matter how it strips others of what they have, is okie dokie.
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Posted on 11/8/16 at 4:23 pm to Alahunter
He's a waste of time man, he must be trolling to claim Obama didn't try to restrict guns rights and wouldn't if given the chance
Posted on 11/8/16 at 4:27 pm to Alahunter
Full circle here. Once again, you're claiming that he wanted to take our guns. Please, prove this. I cannot prove a false negative. If you want to meet in the middle and agree that he's wanting to be more strict on who can purchase and carry guns with mental backgrounds, then I'm fine with coming to an agreement somewhere. I just don't buy into the NRA slippery slope that they're coming for our legal guns.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 4:28 pm to olddawg26
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You claim obama wanted to take away gun rights. Gun control didn't change. Then you say the burden of proof is on me to prove obama didn't want to take away guns.
Just to reiterate, exactly what started the gun control talk... it was you..
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He never once wanted to take away your guns
Obama:
seeing if we can get an assault weapons ban reintroduced
he supported the DC gun ban, that was found unconstitutional
he wanted to limit handgun purchases to one per month
I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry
That's just a very small snippet for examples.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 4:30 pm to Alahunter
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he got beat down on it thankfully, but he definitely pushed gun control agendas.
Hmmm...from just a few posts before this...
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The GOP Establishment acquiesced to every policy and legislation that Obama wanted,
And the Executive Orders he released in response to Newtown were very modest proposals that would have very little, if any, impact on the rights of the vast majority of Americans.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 4:32 pm to olddawg26
Of course you don't and won't try to find anything to support your claim. There are no facts to support it, like there is to what I stated. You're content having your nose up his arse to be able to do anything but tongue his prostate. He's a been a shitty president, he's been detrimental to this nation, it's principles it was founded on and should be ran out of this country for the deals he and his administration made with countries that are on the terrorist nation watch list, (Iran and billions of dollars and failure to monitor nuclear weaponry as a result). Then add in releasing high risk terrorists for AWOL people and many other high risk prisoners.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 4:33 pm to The Spleen
spleen;dr
Posted on 11/8/16 at 4:38 pm to Alahunter
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Just to reiterate, exactly what started the gun control talk... it was you.
Was not me. Wishnitwas1998 was the first to mention guns. Just so we're clear on that.
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supported the DC gun ban, that was found unconstitutional
He wanted to ban all guns in DC....?
Once again, I just don't see where this could go for he's coming for our guns... at least everyone should go to the table on the issue when technology changes and we can't even discuss things. You and I have probably talked more from opposing sides than Washington did.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 4:44 pm to olddawg26
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He wanted to ban all guns in DC....?
Well, considering the DC gun ban did exactly that, and he supported it.. ..
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Once again, I just don't see where this could go for he's coming for our guns
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at least everyone should go to the table on the issue when technology changes and we can't even discuss things.
Same for 1st Amendment Rights? Should we be having legit talks to restrict freedom of speech since there is electronic media now? Want a Right changed, get a frickin Constitutional Convention going. Otherwise, you're in direct odds with the Constitution, just like this piece of shite President has been his entire term.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 4:47 pm to Alahunter
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You're content having your nose up his arse to be able to do anything but tongue his prostate.
Do you get sick of running perfectly rational debates into the ground with this kind of crap? I've been critical and defensive of obama when he deserves it, same as bush, and I will of trump or Hillary. I buy into logic and reality, not conspiracy theories or opinions. It's very very simple. Did obama want to at least look into the medical evaluation of who can purchase guns? Yes. Did he want to take all our guns away? No. and unless you can show me where he said that was his end game, it's gonna go in circles.
“And at no point have I ever, ever proposed confiscating guns from responsible gun owners. So it’s just not true,” -bho
Posted on 11/8/16 at 4:49 pm to Alahunter
It was a concealed carry ban. Not a flat gun ban. Youre wrong or disingenuous.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 4:51 pm to olddawg26
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running perfectly rational debates
You've offered nothing to a debate. You made unsubstantiated claims and ignore word for word from the pos in the Oval office when he stated exactly what you deny.
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Did he want to take all our guns away? No. and unless you can show me where he said that was his end game, it's gonna go in circles
Now who is changing the goal posts?
And using "confiscation" in place of his gun control restriction and proposal to ban guns.. quite laughable.
Bury that head deeper.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 4:51 pm to olddawg26
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It was a concealed carry ban. Not a flat gun ban. Youre wrong or disingenuous
Feel free to post the DC gun ban that was in effect to back up that claim.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 4:52 pm to Alahunter
NM, I will do it for you.
U.S. Supreme Court in the 2008 case District of Columbia v. Heller. The Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment acknowledges and guarantees the right of the individual to possess and carry firearms, and therefore D.C.'s ban on handguns was unconstitutional.
U.S. Supreme Court in the 2008 case District of Columbia v. Heller. The Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment acknowledges and guarantees the right of the individual to possess and carry firearms, and therefore D.C.'s ban on handguns was unconstitutional.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 4:56 pm to Alahunter
You're ending every comment with some shitty comment or remark. No one was ever coming for your guns if you own them legally. Once again, you're claiming they were, please provide evidence of the claim. It is not my part here to prove your claim to be false when there's no evidence to support it.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 4:58 pm to olddawg26
Just figured you'd understand shitty remarks easier, it's all your "arguments" are. They have no substance, nothing to back them up and are at odds with the facts of the matter and statements made by the POS in Chief.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 4:59 pm to Alahunter
"I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms, but I also identify with the need for crime-ravaged communities to save their children from the violence that plagues our streets through common-sense, effective safety measures. The Supreme Court has now endorsed that view, and while it ruled that the D.C. gun ban went too far Justice Scalia himself acknowledged that this right is not absolute and subject to reasonable regulations enacted by local communities to keep their streets safe"
We gone go round and round.
And I have work soon.
We gone go round and round.
And I have work soon.
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 5:03 pm
Posted on 11/8/16 at 5:01 pm to olddawg26
He supported the full gun ban that DC had. That statement you posted did nothing to change that or go against what he wanted to do and his restrictions. Only thing going round and around is your attempt to justify your opinion as being fact. Which won't happen, because you were point blank, wrong.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 5:05 pm to Alahunter
It clearly says he was back and forth on the D.C. Gun ban. You have yet to provide anything to support that he would ever strike the second amendment and come for our guns. I extended the olive branch earlier to put an end to one of the 2 frickin things that made him a "freedom hater".
Posted on 11/8/16 at 5:07 pm to Alahunter
He supported the Heller decision when it came down. Here's his full quote on it...
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I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms, but I also identify with the need for crime-ravaged communities to save their children from the violence that plagues our streets through common-sense, effective safety measures. The Supreme Court has now endorsed that view, and while it ruled that the D.C. gun ban went too far, Justice Scalia himself acknowledged that this right is not absolute and subject to reasonable regulations enacted by local communities to keep their streets safe. Today’s ruling, the first clear statement on this issue in 127 years, will provide much-needed guidance to local jurisdictions across the country.
“As President, I will uphold the constitutional rights of law-abiding gun-owners, hunters, and sportsmen. I know that what works in Chicago may not work in Cheyenne. We can work together to enact common-sense laws, like closing the gun show loophole and improving our background check system, so that guns do not fall into the hands of terrorists or criminals. Today's decision reinforces that if we act responsibly, we can both protect the constitutional right to bear arms and keep our communities and our children safe.
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