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re: How did it come to this?
Posted on 11/8/16 at 2:38 pm to Kentucker
Posted on 11/8/16 at 2:38 pm to Kentucker
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I think the GOP were looking for a reasonable leader
The results tell otherwise.
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America has moved strongly leftward regarding civil liberties and the GOP noticed, finally.
It turns out, Evangelicals don't really give a frick.
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Posted on 11/8/16 at 2:42 pm to Duke
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The results tell otherwise.
I should have said GOP establishment.
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It turns out, Evangelicals don't really give a frick.
Oh, I think they do. This election must be bewildering for them because the two main candidates are a liberal woman and a Caucasian man thrice married and a pussy grabber.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 2:45 pm to Duke
The GOP had a majority split against Trump in the primaries. Until Cruz dropped out he hadn't won a single one in closed primaries. Crossover voters gave him the nomination. And establishment GOP hated Cruz so much, they were doing whatever they could to keep him from getting it, no matter if it meant Trump getting the nomination and then undermining him for Hillary. The GOP Establishment acquiesced to every policy and legislation that Obama wanted, while holding the majority. I think that's why you're seeing such a high turnout.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 2:48 pm to olddawg26
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Like single payer? Which was the original plan? But couldn't get passed because of something, I forget. But even if that was a good answer, that is ONE. A "freedom hater" needs at least a few no?
Just bc he didn't succeed at taking certain freedoms away (such as many different gun rights) doesn't mean he didn't want to and doesn't suddenly make his positions agreeable to me
Posted on 11/8/16 at 2:52 pm to Wishnitwas1998
He never once wanted to take away your guns. That doesn't work outside your safe space poliboard. I won't put up with it. More guns and ammo have been sold, at the time when more fear mongering has been stirred by the NRA, and all you can conclude is obama wanted your guns.
Now what freedoms did he take away. Why is he a freedom hater?
Now what freedoms did he take away. Why is he a freedom hater?
Posted on 11/8/16 at 2:57 pm to olddawg26
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More guns and ammo have been sold, at the time when more fear mongering has been stirred by the NRA
I'm convinced that the NRA is controlled by gun and ammunition manufacturers who use the organization to stimulate sales.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:06 pm to Kentucker
Well I definitely think the left is more likely to want to implement more restrictions on mental health and previous convictions, but the NRA has really ramped up the hysteria on this faux paranoia that we're a week away from the military going door to door for firearms at any moment.
But for sure if I thought the president had an agenda and after 8 years it wasn't even touched (in fact in GA gun control was loosened), I'd have to reconsider where I'm getting my info.
But for sure if I thought the president had an agenda and after 8 years it wasn't even touched (in fact in GA gun control was loosened), I'd have to reconsider where I'm getting my info.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:09 pm to olddawg26
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He never once wanted to take away your guns
BS, he got beat down on it thankfully, but he definitely pushed gun control agendas.
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More guns and ammo have been sold
Should send a message to Dems, but unfortunately, it doesn't. Eta - Also.. speaking of door to door, how soon do people forget police forcing their way into homes for searches during the Boston bombing, violating all kinds of civil rights.. martial law, preventing people from leaving their homes.. and in the end... it was a citizen that located the suspect, not police.
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Now what freedoms did he take away. Why is he a freedom hater?
4 yrs ago I had the freedom to choose what coverage I wanted in my health care policy. Now I'm forced to pay triple what I was for coverage I cannot use and do not want.
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 3:11 pm
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:15 pm to Alahunter
He never wanted to take away guns from law abiding citizens, the 2nd amendment was never at stake. Fortunately there are facts and not just your opinion on this. This is white noise. I own guns, I'm not a felon, and I'm sane. I never once feared they would be taken.
I already addressed the insurance. Single payer should be an option, I'll never defend the current Obamacare it's a disaster.
Now if you're gonna cling to 1 actual point that can even be considered supported by fact and not your hysterical opinion of a gun control slippery slope, then we should pump the brakes on the "freedom hater" shite. I hate when the left immediately says their "homophobic, islamaphobic, sexist, etc" crap against trump with no evidence, so you don't get a pass either.
I already addressed the insurance. Single payer should be an option, I'll never defend the current Obamacare it's a disaster.
Now if you're gonna cling to 1 actual point that can even be considered supported by fact and not your hysterical opinion of a gun control slippery slope, then we should pump the brakes on the "freedom hater" shite. I hate when the left immediately says their "homophobic, islamaphobic, sexist, etc" crap against trump with no evidence, so you don't get a pass either.
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:21 pm to olddawg26
Dude, just stop. You are being way too logical and rational for a political debate on here. 
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:31 pm to olddawg26
Feel,free to show me where in every single gun speech he gave, that he didn't push for restrictions.
And you said name one right he restricted. I showed you and you try to gloss over it saying we should have single payer. Don't say you want to talk facts then try to ignore them. I notice you didn't address the illegal searches in Boston either.
And you said name one right he restricted. I showed you and you try to gloss over it saying we should have single payer. Don't say you want to talk facts then try to ignore them. I notice you didn't address the illegal searches in Boston either.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:32 pm to olddawg26
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He never once wanted to take away your g
So you think if he was provided a magical way to make gun ownership illegal he wouldn't have done it?
Notice I don't say make all guns disappear, if we could do that then gun rights wouldn't be so necessary
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:46 pm to Duke
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Evangelicals don't really give a frick
Got more important things to give fricks about, tbh.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:50 pm to Alahunter
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Feel,free to show me where in every single gun speech he gave, that he didn't push for restrictions.
Burden of proof is in your hands here. You say he wants the guns, show me where he said that. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. I damn sure am not gonna claim Santa is real then make you prove he's not.
We should have single payer. Half assed socialized medicine doesn't work (obviously).
And I didn't ignore the Boston thing you went back and edited it later in the thread and tried to make it look like I was deflecting, very sneaky. That's a pretty thin line and debatable when there's a terrorist who just blew up Americans in the vicinity so I can see both sides can't you?
This post was edited on 11/8/16 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:51 pm to TbirdSpur2010
It just proves to me the Evangelicals are really just railing against a changing culture. Jeebus was just a rallying reason until Trump showed up.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 3:57 pm to Vols&Shaft83
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Spleen calls every republican who ever lived a racist, then claims to be middle of the road.
Correct. He's embarrassed to admit hes a progressive.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 4:02 pm to olddawg26
You made the original claim. The burden is on you regarding his stance on gun control. I get that you are too lazy or know that you are wrong though, do whatever. He has been a shite President. Things that are worse under him:
Job participation
Govt dependency
Healthcare
Debt
Foreign relations
Terrorism within the U.S.
Racial division
Wage gap
Inner city crime
Things that are better:
Job participation
Govt dependency
Healthcare
Debt
Foreign relations
Terrorism within the U.S.
Racial division
Wage gap
Inner city crime
Things that are better:
Posted on 11/8/16 at 4:03 pm to olddawg26
No thin line. Constitutional rights were blatantly stripped. Period.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 4:13 pm to Alahunter
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You made the original claim. The burden is on you regarding his stance on gun control
This is bad. Terrible debate form. You claim obama wanted to take away gun rights. Gun control didn't change. Then you say the burden of proof is on me to prove obama didn't want to take away guns. I can't go anywhere from no where. That's just terrible.
I appreciate you getting so upset you start calling me lazy, but I'll take the high road. We can come with different numbers from different places that will be at odds. You'll think my source is biased and I'll probably think the same about yours. You are however moving the goalposts from me saying explain how he "hates freedom" to his numbers as a president. If you can't see what the issue is with that subject change then I'll just figure you have the Boston stuff and the half assed Obamacare that was gutted by our incompetent government. Not what I consider a "freedom hater" but whatever.
Posted on 11/8/16 at 4:15 pm to olddawg26
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Gun control didn't change
Only because for most of his time in office, the (R) party controlled one or both houses of Congress.
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