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Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:17 pm to Duke
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:17 pm to Duke
No system will work for everyone. I couldn't careless if the system was killing poors as long as i get what I want. The old way is clearly better than obama care. If obama care was better they wouldn't be fudging numbers and people that had low premiums wouldn't be getting raped.
I think health care is something that should be at the state level. I just don't like many plans other than defense and a few other things being the same for a country of 300 million people with many different needs. However, we all know D.C will never give up its strangle hold on power. We are way past a good balance of state power and federal power.
I think health care is something that should be at the state level. I just don't like many plans other than defense and a few other things being the same for a country of 300 million people with many different needs. However, we all know D.C will never give up its strangle hold on power. We are way past a good balance of state power and federal power.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:18 pm to Charlestondawg
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George W had a lot of faults but divisiveness isn't one of them.
So... telling, pretty much, everyone "if you're not with us you're against us" is a call to unity in your world?
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Divisiveness is telling 40% of Americans that don't pay income tax that he just wants the rich to "pay their fair share" is so patently untrue and poisonous.
As poisonous as telling the working Americans making $15,000 a year that they should feel sorry for those making 30 to 100 times more than them for the burden all that money is causing them? Really?!?
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Telling someone they are owed something they didn't work for by someone who did is divisive.
Telling someone who is either unable to work or unable to find work that will keep them from starving to death without help, "tough shite, less mouths to feed" is just as divisive. Sure there are shitheels who take advantage of the system, but denying that it is also a vital part of some peoples lives is equally as demonizing.
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Telling women he wants to get them equal pay as men without knowing the facts is divisive.
Are you saying that two people doing the exact same job shouldn't be paid similarly? In what world is that a valid belief? Wanting fair pay for all isn't a black mark on anyone's record...
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Improved foreign relations??? Not even die hard Democrats are spouting this absurdity.
Yes
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Support for veterans? By cutting their benefits? Did you just go to MSNBC and start copying and pasting from Rachel Maddow?
It's not Rachel Maddow, sorry.
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When you get out of your philosophy class do some research.
When you get your head out of your arse do your own...
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:20 pm to heartbreakTiger
I am certainly supportive of states trying their own ways to deliver a better healthcare system. The states are the best laboratory for policy ideas I can imagine. Federalism is awesome.
The thing is the system isn't that different under Obamacare. It was insurance reform and not awesome insurance reform. Healthcare wasn't really touched. Of course true healthcare reform is about politically impossible because it would likely require Medicare reform and no one is touching that sacred cow.
The thing is the system isn't that different under Obamacare. It was insurance reform and not awesome insurance reform. Healthcare wasn't really touched. Of course true healthcare reform is about politically impossible because it would likely require Medicare reform and no one is touching that sacred cow.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:22 pm to The Spleen
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This Middle East has long hated us and will always hate us as long as we continue to buddy up with Israel. The use of drones in excusable, and is a fair criticism. That said, foreign perceptions outside of the Middle East have improved since Obama took office.
Eastern Europe is in a panic right now over our lack of any actual reaction to the Russian invasion of Crimea.
Japan is ramping up military spending in response to a growing fear that the US will not protect it from China.
England has abandoned the idea of a 'special relationship' with the US.
We've now failed to secure right-of-passage agreements in both Iraq and Afghanistan (as opposed to 41's success with Kuwait and Saudi Arabia,) and have literally nothing strategically to show for our trouble the last 14 years.
Iran is laughing at our olive branch and is refining nuclear fuel anyway.
Every president has good and bad qualities. I see no actual high marks with this president's foreign policy.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:25 pm to Duke
No way states could afford universal healthcare. Obama did half measures and got in bed with the insurance companies. If everyone is required is to have it it needed to be single payer to work. The money is there, defense budget I'm looking at you.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:45 pm to Duke
It is sad true federalism is dead in America.
On a slight related note I felt like Francis underwood last night bc the gym has a row machine now
On a slight related note I felt like Francis underwood last night bc the gym has a row machine now
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:46 pm to cokebottleag
I am not saying Obama is great at foreign policy, in fact I think he's been pretty bad at it. I was just pointing out(and someone posted a graph to prove it) that outside the Middle East most countries have a more favorable opinion of the US since Obama took office. Most of that has to do with Bush's illegal war in Iraq though.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:47 pm to heartbreakTiger
An old school one with the water basin like he has?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:04 pm to TreyAnastasio
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Yes
They view America better because they don't take us seriously anymore.
That quote by W was regarding the Talibans refusal to turn over Bin Laden. Pretty damn justified if you ask me.
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Are you saying that two people doing the exact same job shouldn't be paid similarly?
No, what I'm saying is the disparity isn't as much as he would want you to think. You're right, in some jobs men get paid more (GASP... in Hollywood! Who are nearly all Obama supporters I might add). Do you not see as a politician he is doing what comes natural? Trying to get women to vote for him because he makes them think men are getting paid more?
Here's the link to explain: LINK
So typical of the progressive side to use a small percentage of a program (food stamps in this case) who need it to justify the corruption in the rest of it. I didn't say do away with it. But should people be drug tested who get unemployment assistance? Yes. They would if they were working.
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As poisonous as telling the working Americans making $15,000 a year that they should feel sorry for those making 30 to 100 times more than them for the burden all that money is causing them?
Again, you miss the point. (example) As an owner of a business and I make $500k a year, am I not a working American? Since when does the value of someone making more should mean someone making less should feel jealous? You aren't born into a $15k a year job no more than a business I started was given to me. But you want to take my hard earned money and give it to someone who doesn't have my drive and ambition? No. Hell no.
The bottom line is the majority of Americans see hoe much waste and corruption is going on in the government and the unwillingness to do anything about it by the Democrats only shows more plainly they would rather send this country down the tubes and stay in power than fix the problems and risk losing voters.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:13 pm to The Spleen
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Yep the divisiveness started in the 90's when Clinton was president
Yes. The House of Representatives under Tip O'Neill was a model of bipartisanship.
We long for this bipartisanship which supposedly existed in the past. It didn't.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:15 pm to Charlestondawg
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the unwillingness to do anything about it by the Democrats only shows more plainly they would rather send this country down the tubes and stay in power than fix the problems and risk losing voters
Neither party is interested in anything other than gaining and maintaining power.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:17 pm to Person of interest
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The money is there, defense budget I'm looking at you.
The reason the states can't afford it is that they can't print money. The reason the Feds "can" afford it is that they can print money.
And if you cut the defense budget by 33%, it wouldn't pay for a single payor plan. Let's just wait 10 years for all the countries that have single payor to go bankrupt and then decide if we want to go bankrupt (officially) as well.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:21 pm to Duke
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The American system is fantastic if you can afford it, but the price point has been leaving more and more people behind.
And Obamacare is fixing that by driving costs up even further?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:23 pm to the808bass
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Neither party is interested in anything other than gaining and maintaining power.
This is the truth all the bullshite is meant to keeps us occupied while they sell us all down the river.
Here is an interesting take on our current situation.
Inverted totaltarinism
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:26 pm to the808bass
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And if you cut the defense budget by 33%
We can cut way more than that we currently spend more on defense than China, Russia, the UK, Japan, and France combined.
LINK
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:26 pm to Charlestondawg
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The bottom line is the majority of Americans see hoe much waste and corruption is going on in the government and the unwillingness to do anything about it by the Democrats
Just because they don't want to fight it the same way Republicans do doesn't mean they don't want to do anything about it. When it comes to cutting waste, Republicans want to cut programs that benefit Democratic voters(welfare), and Democrats want to cut programs that benefit Republican voters(defense) and we end up at en passe. Truth is, neither side is really interested in cutting spending, or at least cut it to a point that it'd made a difference. If they were serious about it they'd both be willing to cut spending in programs that may cost them to lose re-election, and ultimately that is what is most important to them - keeping their seat.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:27 pm to sorantable
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sorantable
What have you done?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:30 pm to Charlestondawg
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They view America better because they don't take us seriously anymore.
Do you have any support for this statement or are you just saying that?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:33 pm to sorantable
Best. Reagan... Paul Volker, money supply, etc.
Worst... Obama/Nixon. We have the best economic situation in 100 years with energy right now with the ability to wipe everyone off the map, become energy independent and be big swinging dicks in the world, and we have a terrible economy because Obama is a moron. I like a lot of what Obama has done and stood for, but he's fricking this one up big time. Nixon ties with him because taking us off the gold standard was fricking stupid. It has allowed the Federal Reserve to absolutely RAPE the American people.
Worst... Obama/Nixon. We have the best economic situation in 100 years with energy right now with the ability to wipe everyone off the map, become energy independent and be big swinging dicks in the world, and we have a terrible economy because Obama is a moron. I like a lot of what Obama has done and stood for, but he's fricking this one up big time. Nixon ties with him because taking us off the gold standard was fricking stupid. It has allowed the Federal Reserve to absolutely RAPE the American people.
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