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re: America's best and worst presidents of the past 50 years
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:21 pm to Loathor
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:21 pm to Loathor
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Loathor
Ah I see now. You're drinking the koolaid.
George W had a lot of faults but divisiveness isn't one of them. Divisiveness is telling 40% of Americans that don't pay income tax that he just wants the rich to "pay their fair share" is so patently untrue and poisonous. Telling someone they are owed something they didn't work for by someone who did is divisive. Telling women he wants to get them equal pay as men without knowing the facts is divisive.
Improved foreign relations??? Not even die hard Democrats are spouting this absurdity. Support for veterans? By cutting their benefits? Did you just go to MSNBC and start copying and pasting from Rachel Maddow?
When you get out of your philosophy class do some research.
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:21 pm to OBReb6
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Then you must be a moron. No offense.
I don't care who the American Presidents were, I never learned nor do I need to know it. I could name all the states though. 
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:23 pm to Bags of Milk
Oh are you Canadian? That makes more sense.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:25 pm to OBReb6
I remember Clinton. He seemed like a pretty funny dude. Bush seemed laid back, he'd be cool to have a beer with. Obama is a try-hard
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:28 pm to Loathor
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Repealing the stupidity that is "Don't Ask, Don't Tell
Agree it was stupid but the pussification our military is in full stride
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passing health care reform (not perfect, but something desperately needed)
Agree something is needed but not this abortion
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in addition to withdrawal from Iraq he's started the draw down in Afghanistan as well
Expiration dates on both were upcoming and Iraq drawdown already started
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turned a spiraling economy around
Just stop it
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brought some regulation back to wall street (not enough, by a long shot, but better than the free reign they had)
Yes but why are credit default swaps still legal?
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credit card and banking reform
Only after we melted down did anyone do anything
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improved relations with foreign powers
Like who?
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increased support for veterans
Increased spending so we agree
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tightened sanctions on Iran
Not all sanctions are created equal or have any teeth
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:33 pm to heartbreakTiger
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I guess you could saw a some what withdrawal from iraq
Obama got us out of Iraq a whopping 13 days earlier than the timetable laid out by the Bush administration.
The Bush timeline set in 2008 mandated complete withdrawal by 12-31-2011. Actual withdrawal was complete on 12-18-2011.
Media Matters discussing Bush timeframe
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:42 pm to Loathor
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passing health care reform (not perfect, but something desperately needed)
so basically good things if you hate business?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:45 pm to Wtodd
I don't really think anything was needed. its not like people were just left to die in the street because they lacked insurance. The er never turned anyone away. I have a problem with obama care because its a great example of adverse selection. They aren't cutting me any breaks for being young and healthy so I'm not going to pay for it at all. Im a great person for them to get premiums off of because i never go to the doctor but those premiums need to be low not some insanely high number.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:52 pm to Loathor
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passing health care reform
which is a complete abortion
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withdrawal from Iraq
while expanding our global military footprint
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turned a spiraling economy around
most people would suggest "stifled what could have been a much better recovery" - seriously, what do you think he specifically did to turn anything around?
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brought some regulation back to wall street
bunch of bureaucratic crap that will never do anything
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improved relations with foreign powers
Is it the drone attacks or funding civil wars all over the Middle East and Africa that is making people across the globe love us?
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increased support for veterans
Why do most veterans hate Obama then?
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tightened sanctions on Iran
whoopdefriggin-do
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:54 pm to Loathor
quote:doesn't really do me a bit of good, so don't care.
Repealing the stupidity that is "Don't Ask, Don't Tell"
quote:does me no good, in fact harms me if anything and wasn't desperately needed.
passing health care reform (not perfect, but something desperately needed)
quote:we had a time table for this all along and we are also losing areas that we fought to gain control of. We don't know how to properly hold on to things anymore but that isn't a bama issue that is a America issue.
in addition to withdrawal from Iraq he's started the draw down in Afghanistan as well,
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turned a spiraling economy around
1. obama has zero clue on economics, 2. the economy was spiraled out of control by lib lead bullshite in congress, they are responsible for the push to get sub prime lending going. It is after all their voting base that can't pay the bills.
quote:the market was running just fine and companies that were going to follow the rules were always good companies anyways.
brought some regulation back to wall street (not enough, by a long shot, but better than the free reign they had),
quote:bad for me, Chase stopped the rewards program i was using to rake up points in because of his reform.
credit card and banking reform
quote:I disagree on that, unless you mean allowed us to become Putins bitch.
improved relations with foreign powers
quote:I don't know much about the increased support so i can't say if he did or didn't.
increased support for veterans and tightened sanctions on Iran
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:54 pm to sorantable
Best:
Reagan. He wasn't perfect, but the man was a leader and didn't take shite from anyone.
Worst:
Barack Obama
Amateur that thinks he's hot shite.
Reagan. He wasn't perfect, but the man was a leader and didn't take shite from anyone.
Worst:
Barack Obama
Amateur that thinks he's hot shite.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 1:57 pm to sorantable
Just saw this on Facebook.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:03 pm to Loathor
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There is not a real of possibility that Strom Thurmond would be a Democrat in today's party makeup.
Oh really?
Meet Robert Byrd, former KKK member and recent DNC champion
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Byrd was a member of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1940s, serving as a recruiter and leader for his chapter
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When it came time to elect the top officer (Exalted Cyclops) in the local Klan unit, Byrd won unanimously
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I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side ... Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds.
—Robert C. Byrd, in a letter to Sen. Theodore Bilbo (D-MS), 1946
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:06 pm to The Spleen
imagine how big a picture like that will be for obama.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:08 pm to The Spleen
Most of this is bullshite.
the S&L "scandal" was handled very well through the RTC and fixed the problem quickly. Much better than the shitty way Obama has handled it which has been a drag on the economy.
Just calling supply side economics "voodoo" is stupid and shows ignorance of economics.
Billions "wasted" on arms during the Cold War... we won didn't we?
LBO's destroying businesses - this was obviously written by a commie who wants the president to regulate mergers and acquisitions.
The fact that investigations happened against the DOD is a good thing. If you blew the whistle against them today, you'd have to move to Russia.
What decisions were made by the Astrologer and were they bad?
the S&L "scandal" was handled very well through the RTC and fixed the problem quickly. Much better than the shitty way Obama has handled it which has been a drag on the economy.
Just calling supply side economics "voodoo" is stupid and shows ignorance of economics.
Billions "wasted" on arms during the Cold War... we won didn't we?
LBO's destroying businesses - this was obviously written by a commie who wants the president to regulate mergers and acquisitions.
The fact that investigations happened against the DOD is a good thing. If you blew the whistle against them today, you'd have to move to Russia.
What decisions were made by the Astrologer and were they bad?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:08 pm to roadhouse
I think Obama has been a poor president but I'm gonna counter some of these just for shits and giggles.
I wouldn't call it a complete abortion, but there are issues with it. Still I think the final verdict on it is a good 5-10 years out.
I wouldn't say he's completely turned the economy around, but it has improved since the recession started in when he took office. Deficit has been shrinking, unemployment has VERY slowly improved, etc. I don't think he gets all the credit for that, but the economy has improved since he took office. Still a long way to go though.
This is the biggest thing to criticize Obama on, IMO. He is a plutocrat just like the ones before him and has turned a blind eye to all the fraud and corruption with the big banks. They are robbing this country blind, and virtually no one in DC cares because they're most likely in on the scheme.
This Middle East has long hated us and will always hate us as long as we continue to buddy up with Israel. The use of drones in excusable, and is a fair criticism. That said, foreign perceptions outside of the Middle East have improved since Obama took office.
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which is a complete abortion
I wouldn't call it a complete abortion, but there are issues with it. Still I think the final verdict on it is a good 5-10 years out.
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most people would suggest "stifled what could have been a much better recovery" - seriously, what do you think he specifically did to turn anything around?
I wouldn't say he's completely turned the economy around, but it has improved since the recession started in when he took office. Deficit has been shrinking, unemployment has VERY slowly improved, etc. I don't think he gets all the credit for that, but the economy has improved since he took office. Still a long way to go though.
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bunch of bureaucratic crap that will never do anything
This is the biggest thing to criticize Obama on, IMO. He is a plutocrat just like the ones before him and has turned a blind eye to all the fraud and corruption with the big banks. They are robbing this country blind, and virtually no one in DC cares because they're most likely in on the scheme.
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Is it the drone attacks or funding civil wars all over the Middle East and Africa that is making people across the globe love us?
This Middle East has long hated us and will always hate us as long as we continue to buddy up with Israel. The use of drones in excusable, and is a fair criticism. That said, foreign perceptions outside of the Middle East have improved since Obama took office.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:09 pm to roadhouse
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Just calling supply side economics "voodoo" is stupid and shows ignorance of economics.
And what a smashing success it was
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Billions "wasted" on arms during the Cold War... we won didn't we?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:09 pm to heartbreakTiger
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I don't really think anything was needed.
See this is where I disagree.
The American system is fantastic if you can afford it, but the price point has been leaving more and more people behind. There's no competition pricing wise. You have no idea what something costs and since it's paid for with insurance no incentive to shop around for the best prices. It hardly functions like a market at all.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:14 pm to TreyAnastasio
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And what a smashing success it was
I'm guessing you don't realize that the highest inflation-adjusted average American income was the greatest during Reagan's supply side "voodoo" economics.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:15 pm to The Spleen
Iran-contra: Only a scandal because the rebels we were funding weren't leftists. The same people who think this was bad think Charlie Wilson was a hero (I think Wilson was pretty good)
S&L: Really? We are blaming a president for congressional bills now?
32 convictions: So he allowed his admin to be investigated, as opposed to NO convictions when obvious corruption is evident like the current prez? Good.
7.5% avg unemployment: This is manipulation of statistics. Another way to say this is when to took office, the rate was at 11%, when he left it was at 4%. That's closer to the truth.
Billions on Star Wars, escalation of arms race 'delaying' weapons reduction:
Really. Really? REALLY? We were in a goddamn cold war. You want to accuse Charlie Wilson of "delaying peace by actively encouraging war by proxy"????
Destruction of the Labor market: I assume this is in reference to his fight against the illegal strike of the air traffic controllers? Big Labor is the most destructive monopoly in America.
S&L: Really? We are blaming a president for congressional bills now?
32 convictions: So he allowed his admin to be investigated, as opposed to NO convictions when obvious corruption is evident like the current prez? Good.
7.5% avg unemployment: This is manipulation of statistics. Another way to say this is when to took office, the rate was at 11%, when he left it was at 4%. That's closer to the truth.
Billions on Star Wars, escalation of arms race 'delaying' weapons reduction:
Really. Really? REALLY? We were in a goddamn cold war. You want to accuse Charlie Wilson of "delaying peace by actively encouraging war by proxy"????
Destruction of the Labor market: I assume this is in reference to his fight against the illegal strike of the air traffic controllers? Big Labor is the most destructive monopoly in America.
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