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Posted on 8/10/13 at 10:24 pm to kilo
Posted on 8/10/13 at 10:24 pm to kilo
The truth of the matter is none of those guys are as good as their supporters say and none are as bad as their detractors say. Matheny was a risky hire, but there's little question he was going to get a managerial job at some point. Question was when and where.
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Posted on 8/10/13 at 10:41 pm to reedus23
I would rather him go cut his teeth with a club with less talent and less expectation.
Handing over this team to Matheny, with its current depth of talent, was a mistake. Mike very well could become a top tier manager. He is not that right now and is costing this team.
We are spoiled when it comes to managers, no question. That doesn't excuse this bad hire.
Handing over this team to Matheny, with its current depth of talent, was a mistake. Mike very well could become a top tier manager. He is not that right now and is costing this team.
We are spoiled when it comes to managers, no question. That doesn't excuse this bad hire.
Posted on 8/10/13 at 10:46 pm to kilo
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I would rather him go cut his teeth with a club with less talent and less expectation.
He did and his son's 14U team was damn good.
Posted on 8/10/13 at 10:51 pm to kilo
Let's see how it plays out. It's a long season. Many of LaRussa's team would struggle in the middle of the season as well. The question will be how Matheny gets the team to finish.
Posted on 8/10/13 at 10:55 pm to reedus23
Posted on 8/10/13 at 11:04 pm to reedus23
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Let's see how it plays out. It's a long season. Many of LaRussa's team would struggle in the middle of the season as well. The question will be how Matheny gets the team to finish.
I very well may be overreacting. Im very prone to that.
That being said...
Im not sure Larussa cost the team games. He was very good at diffusing issues during the season and slowing bad trends especially in how he handled the pitching staff. Matheny is actually doing things that are prolonging this bad trend.
Thats the difference I see when looking at these two. Of course comparing a hall of famer with a green manager isn't fair...but then again why is the second most storied franchise in baseball history on one of its best streaks in club history hiring a manger this green?
Dont know.
Seems like a bit of hubris from the front office when this hire was made to the tune of "We can hire who ever we want, were the Cardinals"
Posted on 8/11/13 at 11:32 am to kilo
You're absolutely right. LaRussa tended to be able to avoid extended streaks or slumps. I certainly think LaRussa threw away games here and there but I think you have to in order to keep your team fresh late in the season. He always seemed to do it mid season. But he avoided, for the most part, extended streaks.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 12:35 am to reedus23
Big win big big win.
Wish Matheny had the balls to squeeze back in the 11th or was it the 12th.. with runners at corners and 1 out with Manness at the plate. Instead double play ended it. Tony woulda squeezed.
Wish Matheny had the balls to squeeze back in the 11th or was it the 12th.. with runners at corners and 1 out with Manness at the plate. Instead double play ended it. Tony woulda squeezed.
Posted on 8/14/13 at 8:35 am to mograyback
Was a huge win last night. Hopefully, it's the kind of win that gets things turned around.
Posted on 8/17/13 at 12:26 am to reedus23
So Wong called up and 0/3 in debut. Anyone watch the game? 0/3 obviously aren't good numbers, but I'm wondering if the at bats were good ones.
Posted on 8/17/13 at 1:14 am to reedus23
I saw his first two at-bats. He grounded weakly into a double play (he fits right in) and got frozen on a curveball.
Posted on 8/17/13 at 2:50 pm to Cratebeast
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I saw his first two at-bats. He grounded weakly into a double play (he fits right in) and got frozen on a curveball.
Don't be so dramatic.
That wasn't a weak hit ground ball at all.. and he showed a lot of speed almost beating out the play. (20 for 21 stealing bases).
He looks and carries himself like a major leaguer, a lot like Furcal, an inch taller maybe.
I really like Carp at 2nd.. not the power of Utley, but his body type reminds me of Utley at 2nd. Seems like the Cards are set on keeping Wong.
Now just have to endure one last start from Westbrook on Wednesday. Hopefully he sucks and he's finally done as a Card. Guy didn't finish the last 2 years, not sure why the Cards picked up his 10 million dollar option for this year. This year will make it 3 in a row he doesn't make it to the finish line.
Now only if we can somehow get Holliday to walk in front of moving traffic this offseason we'd have it made. Could resign Beltran and bring on Taveras next year.
I love that Holliday is a 33 year old veteran and he still needs to get his jollies off by playing HR derby before games. Announcers were telling us about the pregame show yesterday, hitting balls out of Wrigley... then nothing in the game. Hate this bald apeman more than anything.
Posted on 8/17/13 at 3:22 pm to mograyback
Wasn't being dramatic, he just had a poor first outing.
I'm big on Wong, I'm hoping he becomes the regular 2nd basemen next season with Carpenter moving to 3rd and Freese being on the way out. The Cardinals desperately need his speed.
As for Westbrook, I'm really disappointed they are giving him another start. I never understood why they brought him back at this price when Lohse's contract demands weren't that much higher.
I'm big on Wong, I'm hoping he becomes the regular 2nd basemen next season with Carpenter moving to 3rd and Freese being on the way out. The Cardinals desperately need his speed.
As for Westbrook, I'm really disappointed they are giving him another start. I never understood why they brought him back at this price when Lohse's contract demands weren't that much higher.
Posted on 8/17/13 at 3:38 pm to mograyback
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I love that Holliday is a 33 year old veteran and he still needs to get his jollies off by playing HR derby before games. Announcers were telling us about the pregame show yesterday, hitting balls out of Wrigley... then nothing in the game. Hate this bald apeman more than anything.
I don't think the guy is worth the contract he signed, but he is hitting like .400 in August almost bringing it up to .300 on the year. Only 2 home runs in August, but he's still hitting.
Posted on 8/17/13 at 3:54 pm to Cratebeast
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Wasn't being dramatic, he just had a poor first outing.
Ok. But yeah you were with the 'slow hit ground ball' comment, when it was a normal hit ball. And they 'he fits right in comment'.
Posted on 8/17/13 at 3:58 pm to reedus23
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I don't think the guy is worth the contract he signed, but he is hitting like .400 in August almost bringing it up to .300 on the year. Only 2 home runs in August, but he's still hitting.
Holliday is a joke.
He didn't really help this team all year, first 4 of the 6 months he was a negative player for the offense. Led league in double plays and hit around .250-.260, but this little surge late makes it look like he has helped all year. He'll end up around .285-.290. He is a negative player on defense.
Screwed us in 09 playoffs. Did nothing in the '11 WS, and was removed from the roster for game 7 bc the speed threat of Chambers was more valuable than a useless Holliday (wasn't the pinky).
Posted on 8/17/13 at 4:20 pm to mograyback
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Ok. But yeah you were with the 'slow hit ground ball' comment, when it was a normal hit ball. And they 'he fits right in comment'.
It was a sarcastic comment about how many double plays the Cardinals ground into. They do lead the majors in it.Posted on 8/17/13 at 4:51 pm to Cratebeast
It was more the 'slow hit ball' that caught my eye, when it wasn't at all slow. Never mind..
Posted on 8/17/13 at 9:59 pm to mograyback
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Holliday is a joke.
Now who is being dramatic.
We'll agree to disagree about exactly how bad Holliday is. He's not worth his contract, no where near it. But he's not a hack.
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