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Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:34 am to
Posted by kilo
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:34 am to


Good to know my sarcasm detector still works on you a little.
This post was edited on 8/7/13 at 11:35 am
Posted by mograyback
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:40 am to
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Honestly, how reliable is the news that a new football stadium will be built in STL? I figured it was almost certain that the Rams ownership would either move the team back to LA or to London. The ownership pretty much told STL to support the team or watch it be moved within 5 years.

STL doesn't support football nearly as well as more popular football cities like KC. STL is a baseball town thru-and-thru.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love for STL to retain a football team with a new stadium. Just curious how reliable the news is?



Yeah, I don't know if I trust the media on this one.

If there was no optimism at all about a new stadium not very many Stlouisans would invest their time and money into the Rams.

What is still owed on the Ed Jones Dome? Like 49 billion? I kid, but it might as well be that much.

And now you want to build another stadium? It just doesn't seem possible.

Everything about the Rams is wrong, and STL is going to pay for it dearly. A city w no NFL team is like a man without a penis.

The Jacksonville Jags were supposed to be STL's franchise. The STL Stallions. Tshirts were even made. But a last minute con-move put the team in Jax. In an ego infused desperation move, the Rams ended up in STL. A major mistake. The tomb of a dome was built with greed, not football, in mind and the rest is history. A shady owner bought a championship, but that wasn't enough to install long term love in the hearts of Stlouisans.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:41 am to
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Consider this, the Rams just left a 10 year stretch that was the worst ever for ANY franchise yet folks bought tickets and still showed up. No TV blackouts etc.


Certainly still supported the team considering how bad they are but I think they avoided blackouts because they worked the numbers each year. Unless it was the Cardinals, I think the Rams get to set at the beginning of each year what constitutes a sell out. Well, that number has gone down each year despite the fact that seats haven't been removed. Still, whatever that number is, fans are still buying enough seats to prevent blackouts.

As for the team and the stadium, they aren't going anywhere any time soon. The stadium issues will get worked out. Kroenke will play some hard ball but I think they'll stay in St. Louis.
Posted by kilo
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:48 am to
I agree that the situation would have been much better with an expansion team. That whole deal still stings and makes the NFL look like idiots for awarding that franchise to Jacksonville. What a shite show that has become.

People should be skeptical Mo. Its cutthroat stuff honestly and folks are emotionally and financially invested. I hate the poker game being played for the sake of leveraging a deal. The ones suffering are the fans.

In order for this franchise to really thrive it needs a better gameday atmosphere and that means a stadium that is not the shithole tomb of a dome they play in now. The thinking is that Kroenke will pick up like 70% and the Stadium fund from the NFL around 8% and the State,City and County come up with the rest. The ED would still serve its purpose to draw large national sporting events to st louis as well as continue to be one of the better convention spaces in the mid west.
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:52 am to
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Another note, why is everyone convinced that Stan Kroenke, a Missouri native with considerable ties to St Louis, automatically fall into the "he will move the team" category?



Well, business (money) trumps loyalty most of the time, so I just figured he would do whatever made him the most money.
Posted by mograyback
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:56 am to
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. The ED would still serve its purpose to draw large national sporting events to st louis as well as continue to be one of the better convention spaces in the mid west.



I got the 'somethings gotta give' feeling when I read that.

I realize ED is much larger than Savvis and Chaffetz, but it just seems like there wouldn't be enough to go around. If ED was getting basketball, what a shame, that would suck. Just seems like a giant building that wouldn't get used enough. Perhaps, like many times, I'm wrong. But, definitely wish we could hit the reset button on this.
This post was edited on 8/7/13 at 12:00 pm
Posted by kilo
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:57 am to
Sure. Thats understandable.

I think Stan is wearing that facade as well through this process. Its great leverage in negotiating a stadium deal with the locals.
Posted by kilo
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 11:58 am to
It gets used more than most realize as a large convention space.

I agree with you completely about hitting the reset button.
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 8/7/13 at 12:03 pm to
Not considering that Stan has strong London ties with his soccer investment, could make history by becoming the first European NFL team, and the London stadium is already built.

Money, money, money...
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 12:04 pm to
To make it a better game day experience, frankly they have to get it out of down town. They need to move it west where there's more room and duplicate what they have in KC.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 12:06 pm to
I just don't see an NFL team in London ever. Scheduling/travel would be a nightmare. Frankly, I think there'd be no interest/support from fans in the States.
Posted by mograyback
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 12:07 pm to
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To make it a better game day experience, frankly they have to get it out of down town. They need to move it west where there's more room and duplicate what they have in KC.


Whoa whoa whoa

Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 12:15 pm to
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I just don't see an NFL team in London ever. Scheduling/travel would be a nightmare. Frankly, I think there'd be no interest/support from fans in the States.



The discussion about it is real and serious. Yes, scheduling would have to be worked out. I read that more than likely a London team would play a block of games in London (4 or 5) and then come to the states to play a block of away games (4 or 5) to reduce jet lag and travel expenses.

They'd have to have a practice facility centrally located in the states (St. Louis perhaps) that would be their homebase during their block of games in the states.
This post was edited on 8/7/13 at 12:25 pm
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 12:17 pm to
The Rams are not moving to London. That doesn't even register as a possibility in my opinion.

The Jags are a much more likely candidate considering they are going to be playing a game in each of the next four seasons in London.
Posted by mizzoukills
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 12:26 pm to
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The Jags are a much more likely candidate considering they are going to be playing a game in each of the next four seasons in London.



Same with St. Louis, right? Isn't St. Louis playing one regular season game in London the next 4-5 years? Isn't that what pissed off season ticket holders...that they are getting one less game due to the London schedule?

I mean, if 100k people pack the London stadium for the Rams each year, shouldn't that concern people in St. Louis? It would concern me.
This post was edited on 8/7/13 at 12:31 pm
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 12:40 pm to
That's because it's a novelty there. Much like we pack the dome for their soccer teams. Packing it for a one time event is one thing, but what kind of attendance will it draw 15-20 years down the road?

And didn't the Rams back out of playing those regular season games in London? I could be wrong. I thought it was objected to as breaking the lease and that's when Kroenke backed away from taking the team to London.
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 8/7/13 at 12:41 pm to
No. The Rams backed out of that and Shad Kahn stepped up and the Jags are now doing that series of games in London.
Posted by reedus23
St. Louis
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25485 posts
Posted on 8/7/13 at 12:42 pm to
What do you not like about moving the location? I wouldn't mind it in the city if there was room to build lots to tailgate in like KC. Parking garages suck arse.
Posted by kilo
Member since Oct 2011
27421 posts
Posted on 8/7/13 at 12:48 pm to
The lack of tailgating options is absolutely an issue now and if its not addressed, no matter where the stadium is built, will be an issue still that detracts from the game day atmosphere.
Posted by mizzoukills
Member since Aug 2011
40686 posts
Posted on 8/7/13 at 12:52 pm to
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Parking garages suck arse.



Unless it's raining, of course.
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