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re: Do you fire Cross?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 10:17 am to navynuke
Posted on 10/26/16 at 10:17 am to navynuke
quote:this board doesn't do simple. We are working our way up to that. Maybe in a couple of seasons. When the D can line up correctly. Maybe on both accounts. Wouldn't count on either really
Be disciplined and play your assignment. It's really simple.
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 11:14 am to Stlox
Do you trust this report?
Posted on 10/26/16 at 11:17 am to surgicalvenom
I do.
He seems to have inside info, and has for years.
He seems to have inside info, and has for years.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 11:36 am to Stlox
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He seems to have inside info, and has for years.
Agree....... So if True, and Cross has been demoted after just 7 games. I can't see how he's back next year.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 11:48 am to SemperFi
All that I've heard is that BO is more of a motivator than Cross by a few players and that they would run through a brick wall for him. I guess that they have to be motivated to make a tackle. They couldn't play for the late laid back Tom Landry.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 12:05 pm to Zou brownmajic
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I guess that they have to be motivated to make a tackle
And if the number 51 on the scoreboard doesn't motivate you nothing will.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 4:24 pm to JesusQuintana
If I was the new AD that didn't hire this staff....I would seriously consider firing the entire staff. At the absolute minimum I would make him fire the DC.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 7:34 pm to Wtodd
Why aren't the OC and DC up in the booth where they can see the the whole field? Any kind of change to help them out might be in order about now.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 9:39 pm to surgicalvenom
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Good points but one major difference. Christensen didnt dismantle a top 5 offense to install the spread
He dismantled an offense that led the Big 12 and was 8th in the nation in rushing in 2003.
He dismantled an offense that beat Nebraska for the first time in 25 years.
He dismantled an offense that had Mizzou ranked #17 in the 2004 pre season poll and had Brad Smith on Heisman lists.
The expectations for that team far exceeded the expectations of the 2016 team. They changed the offense anyway because of the long term effect it would have on the program.
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What is the logic of scrapping hours of knowledge, technique, muscle memory and most baffling good results and the teams national identity which helps recruiting.
Because Cover Blue is a better pass defense than Cover/Tampa 2 but you can't use a penetrating scheme up front because there are no run read responsibilities by the CBs. MU has 10 INTs, a 53% completion rate and a 108 Pass Eff allowed through 7 games in the first year of running the scheme. They had 9 INTs, a 61% and 114 Pass Eff allowed last year. MU is a much better 3rd down passing defense as well
Start playing the scheme right upfront and offenses will have to throw into a scheme that creates opportunities for the CBs to get their hands on the ball because they aren't looking into the backfield due to edge run support responsibilities.
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 9:45 pm
Posted on 10/26/16 at 10:22 pm to navynuke
Mizzou as 4-4 and 3-6 in 03,04 in the Big 12. The offense was not the national identity, and anybody can be in some article concerning the Heisman. Its downright laughable to compare that to the accomplishments of the Steck/Kul defense.
Not only was the defense effective,but it was able to be maintained even with Mizzous marginal recruiting. Also pressure from the front 4 took pressure off the LBs and Ford did a great job of teaching his dbs to tackle on the edge in open space. Why take that away if your db coach is good at teaching it?
Fact is the defense worked, produced NFL talent not just on the DL but also 4-3 OLB and 2 SEC DPY. All needed for recruiting. Now we see the result, a commit list that doesnt include impact defensive players.
Not only was the defense effective,but it was able to be maintained even with Mizzous marginal recruiting. Also pressure from the front 4 took pressure off the LBs and Ford did a great job of teaching his dbs to tackle on the edge in open space. Why take that away if your db coach is good at teaching it?
Fact is the defense worked, produced NFL talent not just on the DL but also 4-3 OLB and 2 SEC DPY. All needed for recruiting. Now we see the result, a commit list that doesnt include impact defensive players.
Posted on 10/26/16 at 10:55 pm to surgicalvenom
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The offense was not the national identity,
The offense they changed to became the national identity long before the Dline Zou thing and that isn't laughable. That started in 2013 when Markus Golden let it fly in camp interview.
quote:So how many MU Tigers were being mentioned as a Heisman candidate prior to the 2004 season? Don't be disingenuous.
anybody can be in some article concerning the Heisman
You speak of marginal recruiting and then no impact players. How many of the marginal players did you for see as impact players in the prior classes?
The fact is the Tampa 2 has holes in it and there wasn't much of a way to disguise pressure. As a result it was never a very good 3rd down defense in spite of all of the pass rushers sent to the NFL due to predictability.
I certainly respect the work that Steck and Kuligowski did but part of their accomplishments include getting skull fricked in 3 of 4 CCGs.
So schematically, what makes you think that if executed correctly, this defense can't be a better product?
Posted on 10/27/16 at 4:34 am to navynuke
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MU is a much better 3rd down passing defense as well
I'd love to see the stat comparison on this and sacks and TFL.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 6:17 am to IlliniBuck
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Why aren't the OC and DC up in the booth where they can see the the whole field?
I think Heupel likes being on the field so he can "coach" the offense during the game. I don't think it matters where Cross is.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 6:58 am to Mizz-SEC
I like this site because of the situational break downs and the ease of maneuvering between seasons.
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2010 was the last time that MU held opponents to less than a 50% completion % on 3rd down.
They are creating about 5 fewer TFLs per game with the current scheme and one less sack a game overall. In conference play they are at 5 fewer TFLs per game and .5 fewer sacks as opposed to last year.
Hopefully Odom can help the DE's see the potential of playing smarter. You can't out athlete every team you face. Knowing where to be and being there and hiding what you are doing matters.
Opposing teams aren't letting off the gas offensively this year either.
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2010 was the last time that MU held opponents to less than a 50% completion % on 3rd down.
They are creating about 5 fewer TFLs per game with the current scheme and one less sack a game overall. In conference play they are at 5 fewer TFLs per game and .5 fewer sacks as opposed to last year.
Hopefully Odom can help the DE's see the potential of playing smarter. You can't out athlete every team you face. Knowing where to be and being there and hiding what you are doing matters.
Opposing teams aren't letting off the gas offensively this year either.
This post was edited on 10/27/16 at 7:33 am
Posted on 10/27/16 at 8:25 am to navynuke
One of the great hallmarks of the Steck defense was his focus on causing fumbles. We missed some tackles because of this but we wound up winning games because of the differential. We have 4 fumbles in 6 games. Not impressive or helpful.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 9:02 am to pauliebleaker
Well if the reports are true, this thread is now moot. I hope the reports are true.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 9:21 am to surgicalvenom
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Well if the reports are true, this thread is now moot. I hope the reports are true.
Agree, and I hope Cross is finished here.....Great guy, and I wish him the best...... Just a square peg, in a round hole here.
Posted on 10/27/16 at 9:30 am to SemperFi
Regardless of whether the new scheme is superior to the old one (I disagree), he's doing an incredibly poor job of implementing it.
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