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Posted on 9/30/17 at 3:38 pm to the808bass
Posted on 9/30/17 at 3:38 pm to the808bass
Refute it if you can.
Way too much projection on kids that aren't the top of the top.
That's why Pinkel could win at a high level with rarely ever even cracking the top 30.
Rankings are far from the gospel some want to act like they are.
Way too much projection on kids that aren't the top of the top.
That's why Pinkel could win at a high level with rarely ever even cracking the top 30.
Rankings are far from the gospel some want to act like they are.
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Posted on 9/30/17 at 3:39 pm to Zou brownmajic
Do you know how dumb you have to be to be academically ineligible in Texas when you have division 1 talent??? They worship HS football down there.
Posted on 9/30/17 at 4:15 pm to wubilli
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Of the MO 10 to eliminate Mizzou only Mario Goodrich and Adeoye are misses.
Mizzou has commits from similarly rated recruits to the others
You're missing the point.
The class would be strong if you had 8 of the 10 with the commits we have. Instead, we got the commits we got and now will have to fill the holes with low hanging fruit instead of the 8 of 10.
Posted on 9/30/17 at 4:31 pm to reedus23
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You're missing the point.
Babb, Goodrich, Thompson, Perkins, Trout and Adeoye are really the only members of the MO 10 that matter. Mizzou isn’t likely to get similarly rated recruits from out of state.
Players like Creideth, Brown or Carson aren’t as important. That’s because similarly rated recruits have committed to Mizzou.
Posted on 9/30/17 at 8:25 pm to wubilli
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That’s because similarly rated recruits have committed to Mizzou.
So what you are saying is that if we dropped the worst players from each respective class, Mizzou would not have been better with the likes of:
Pipkins - Good enough to get signed temporarily as a UDA.
Neal - Believe currently in the NFL
Rose-Ivey - Contributed at Nubs
Chesson - Believe he is in the NFL
Elliott - No brainer
Collins - Believe he is in the NFL
Wallace - Contributing at Arky
Johnson - Believe he is in the NFL
Wren - Contributing a little at ASU
Lee - Got cut, but was good enough to get drafted
Bonner - Believe he's starting for ND
Akinmoladun - Starting for the Nubs
Hentges - Starting for Bama
Ofodile - Playing a bit and looking at our WR's, yes, he'd help
C. Davis - Yes, he's playing for Nubs
K. Davis - Him too with Nubs
Bryant - Couple of 100 yard games before getting hurt
Again, not comparing them to our top players like Crockett. But to the bottom portion of each class. Personally, I think we would have been a better team the last several years if we had these guys complementing the top end instead of the likes of Shaun Rupert and Levi Copelin.
Posted on 9/30/17 at 8:32 pm to reedus23
They’re not serious. It’s just excuses to keep the clock ticking on this failed experiment.
Posted on 9/30/17 at 8:44 pm to reedus23
This are almost all 4 star players. Mizzou hasn’t gotten many of that type of player from out of state.
You would have to show who Mizzou signed after missing on each of those players, then compare. If a comparable player was signed then them being from Missouri isn’t important.
You would have to show who Mizzou signed after missing on each of those players, then compare. If a comparable player was signed then them being from Missouri isn’t important.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 10:51 am to the808bass
Serious about what? That recruiting rankings are an inexact science at the very most?
Yes, dead serious about that. Of course.
Yes, dead serious about that. Of course.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 2:03 pm to JesusQuintana
Of course. And over time, teams with better recruiting rankings do better than teams with poorer recruiting rankings. That’s a good general rule.
Pinkel did a good job over time developing his own system which yielded anomalous results. That doesn’t mean the recruiting rankings are useless. It’s just something you tell yourself to give yourself hope.
Pinkel did a good job over time developing his own system which yielded anomalous results. That doesn’t mean the recruiting rankings are useless. It’s just something you tell yourself to give yourself hope.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 2:20 pm to the808bass
Recruiting Rankings matter in the sense that they have to match up with the coach and his process. If you're GP and you're from Toledo where you develop your kids for 5 years it's less important. If you are a blueblood who has the expectation to compete for a NC every year, rankings matter because of talent depth. But there is no doubt, having the biggest, fastest kids up and down your depth chart gives you a great advantage. But every once in a while, the coach who develops over 4-5 years sneaks in there(Washington,Oregon), we just need 1 to break through.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 2:37 pm to surgicalvenom
Oregon was a regular top 10 recruiter under Kelly. Now that they’re not, they’re not really a national power. Washington recruits much better than us.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 2:44 pm to the808bass
I don’t think Oregon was a regular top 10 recruiting school under Kelly. If I remember correctly they were usually in the 15-20 range.
That’s a range that I think is doable at Mizzou.
That’s a range that I think is doable at Mizzou.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 2:48 pm to the808bass
C'Mon, saying someone recruits better than us is like saying "I'm the tallest Dwarf." Neither Oregon or Washington were deep with top recruits. Oregon got lucky with a little known 2/3 star QB from Hawaii who only had 1 offer. But he developed. Nike hoped that all the money they pumped into Oregon would produce top talent depth, but it didn't.
BTW, i'm talking absolute reload depth. That's where rankings come into play. Unfortunately those type of kids are only consistently available for the top 3-5 programs.
BTW, i'm talking absolute reload depth. That's where rankings come into play. Unfortunately those type of kids are only consistently available for the top 3-5 programs.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 4:08 pm to wubilli
2009 - 30th (Kelly’s first year)
2010 - 12th
2011 - 12th
2012 - 14th
2010 - 12th
2011 - 12th
2012 - 14th
Posted on 10/1/17 at 4:29 pm to the808bass
I never said they were useless. I said once you get outside of the top 15 or so classes they aren't very reliable.
Yes, the elit NC contenders are filled with top 10 classes but the elite prospects are pretty easy to identify and recruiting sites follow offers with their rankings many times.
Once you get past that though there is no evidence that say the 20th ranked class is going to outperform the 35th ranked class on a year to year basis. The ready made guys stand out. Trying to project guys is simply a crapshoot and there is only a certain number of obvious prospects each year.
Yes, the elit NC contenders are filled with top 10 classes but the elite prospects are pretty easy to identify and recruiting sites follow offers with their rankings many times.
Once you get past that though there is no evidence that say the 20th ranked class is going to outperform the 35th ranked class on a year to year basis. The ready made guys stand out. Trying to project guys is simply a crapshoot and there is only a certain number of obvious prospects each year.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 8:18 pm to wubilli
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This are almost all 4 star players. Mizzou hasn’t gotten many of that type of player from out of state.
So then you agree with me that we need to do MUCH better at recruiting within the state first and then compliment that with those "equally" rated guys from out of state.
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You would have to show who Mizzou signed after missing on each of those players, then compare. If a comparable player was signed then them being from Missouri isn’t important.
Again. Wrong. You're missing the point. Stop accepting mediocrity.
The program would be better off to get those 4 star in state players AND the comparable players from out of state INSTEAD of the comparable players from out of state and then low hanging fruit.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 8:20 pm to JesusQuintana
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I never said they were useless. I said once you get outside of the top 15 or so classes they aren't very reliable.
If you're comparing 15 to 17 I'd agree. If you're comparing 16 to 57 I disagree.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 8:27 pm to JesusQuintana
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I never said they were useless. I said once you get outside of the top 15 or so classes they aren't very reliable.
If you're comparing 15 to 17 I'd agree. If you're comparing 16 to 43 I disagree.
Posted on 10/1/17 at 9:06 pm to reedus23
Show me teams that are consistently good recruiting in the 15-25 range and I'll keep matching them with ones that recruit in the 26-40 range.
Posted on 10/2/17 at 6:13 am to JesusQuintana
There are people in here that don't think we have a problem recruiting our own state? If we got the best players in Missouri and complemented them with good players from out of state our program would be in a much better position right now. Look at 2015, probably the only year we've ever been able to do it.
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