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re: Eason will start vs Vandy?
Posted on 10/5/17 at 10:19 am to fibonaccisquared
Posted on 10/5/17 at 10:19 am to fibonaccisquared
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Nauta's at the 15 when it's thrown and already off balance (not yet "falling") at the time when it's thrown. He likely would have been at the 12 yard line at the time the ball is arriving if he had been upright. The ball is at thigh level at the 5 yard line and the attempt at an INT is made around the 4 yard line. It's a little high...
I was thinking the same thing, but very few passes are right on target, andif Fromm had made up his mind to throw it to Nauta it would have been too late to change it once Nauta began to go down. However, Nauta was well covered and the ball should never have been thrown to Nauta.
Again....freshman mistake....but that's what they do.
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Posted on 10/5/17 at 10:22 am to DawgsLife
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would disagree
With what? The only reason Sony was open was because the LB ran into Nauta, which is the only reason he fell down.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 10:23 am to DawgsLife
Fromm is a game manager right now. And there is nothing wrong with that. He has specific skills that Eason does not that are better for the kind of team we currently are. Eason has skills Fromm does not as well, but having someone who can read the defense and move the chains with 8 yard passes is way more valuable to our offense than someone who can't do that as well but can throw it far and hard
Now we haven't really seen much of Eason. But we've seen enough of Fromm to know he can do that. That is why I say keep Fromm. Also I would stake anything the players want him. He's from the area, they're undefeated, getting serious press as contenders.
Now we haven't really seen much of Eason. But we've seen enough of Fromm to know he can do that. That is why I say keep Fromm. Also I would stake anything the players want him. He's from the area, they're undefeated, getting serious press as contenders.
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 10:25 am
Posted on 10/5/17 at 10:34 am to DawgsLife
I don't think it was a forced ball, though. If you look where Nauta fell, there was about 10 yards of open space in front of the safety. Fromm delivered the ball to the open space.
Here's a snap of the play when Nauta hit the deck. The big circle is the open space and the X is where the ball lands.
Here's a snap of the play when Nauta hit the deck. The big circle is the open space and the X is where the ball lands.
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 10:40 am
Posted on 10/5/17 at 10:49 am to fibonaccisquared
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The ball is at thigh level at the 5 yard line and the attempt at an INT is made around the 4 yard line. It's a little high...
Unimpeded, I think he is at the 10-11 and the ball hits him on time and in a catchable area for a 6'4 guy. That ball wasn't gonna be Eason high (2-3 feet over his head), which would have made it an easy pick on the 2-3. Instead, the safety had to dive forward to try to get a ball near the ground on the 4.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 10:53 am to FooManChoo
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If you look where Nauta fell, there was about 10 yards of open space in front of the safety.
Exactly. There was not a group of vol defenders where that ball was thrown. In fact, both defenders that hit Nauta off the line were focusing on Sony, leaving Nauta open.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:12 am to djsdawg
Yep. The play busts because Nauta trips and falls down. Not sure why this is an example of a bad throw. In fact, if Nauta stays on his feet, it looks like an excellent throw that goes over the DBs and in front of the safety and give Nauta a shot to drag the safety with him into the end zone like he did the previous week.
ETA: And if Nauta finds the end zone, no one complains about Fromm missing Michel down the sideline.
ETA: And if Nauta finds the end zone, no one complains about Fromm missing Michel down the sideline.
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 11:17 am
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:21 am to djsdawg
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With what? The only reason Sony was open was because the LB ran into Nauta, which is the only reason he fell down.
Michel was open the entire way. Nauta was never open.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:24 am to FooManChoo
Fromm has, for the most part, played very well for us and been a solid game manager. My only real issue with Fromm is that, as a true freshman with limited experience and knowledge of the playbook, he relies on a lot of pre-snap reads when he is going to pass. Against lesser talented or poorly coached units that is perfectly fine. Where that will bite us in the arse is against good defensive coordinators. Someone like an Alabama, Auburn, or even a properly coached defense like Vandy will disguise and mix-up their coverage and that can lead to a lot of turnovers and broken up passes. We have not really seen a defense like that yet, so it's hard to say if Fromm can adapt and overcome in that situation. That's my biggest worry for him.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:25 am to djsdawg
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Exactly. There was not a group of vol defenders where that ball was thrown. In fact, both defenders that hit Nauta off the line were focusing on Sony, leaving Nauta open.
Nauta had two defenders around him when the ball was thrown. You can't say that a LB tripped Nauta as the ball was being thrown and there were no defenders around Nauta. if the defenders were focusing on Sony then he would not have been wide open. they were trying to get to Sony because he was wide open, but that was happening while Fromm was focusing in on Nauta.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:26 am to DawgsLife
I am talking about the way the play was designed and would have worked if the LB and Nauta didn't collide. The LB hit Nauta because he was running towards Sony, and The db that was on Nauta was facing Sony.
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 11:28 am
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:27 am to FooManChoo
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And if Nauta finds the end zone, no one complains about Fromm missing Michel down the sideline.
But he didn't, and that is the problem. It would not have even been close had he thrown it to Michel. The LB could not get to Sony...could not even come close.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:28 am to djsdawg
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That ball wasn't gonna be Eason high (2-3 feet over his head), which would have made it an easy pick on the 2-3. Instead, the safety had to dive forward to try to get a ball near the ground on the 4.
I'll agree to disagree on whether it was going to be particularly catchable... too many variables to presume... *but*, will absolutely agree that it was at least not sailed so far over his head that it was too easy of a grab for the DB... still probably should have been an INT though.
As to the comment re: first half vs second, I'll agree there. The total yardage this year is definitely impacted based on the fact that we're simply not throwing it very much in the second half, and barely at all in the 4th quarter.
LINK
Q1: 24/38 - 368 Yards - 41% of total passing attempts - 49% of total passing yards
Q2: 12/23 - 160 Yards - 24%/21%
Q3: 11/22 - 161 Yards - 24%/22%
Q4: 5/10 - 59 Yards - 11%/8%
(not sure which game, but apparently in one of them we didn't throw in the 4th quarter at all according to CFBStats)
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:29 am to DawgsLife
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Michel was open the entire way. Nauta was never open.
Nauta's route would likely have run him open, but you're correct that Michel was open from the get-go. However, Nauta was probably running the primary route and Michel was likely the check-down. I don't blame Fromm for throwing that read.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:31 am to DawgsLife
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he didn't, and that is the problem. It
Only Because Nauta fell. The fall could not be accounted for at the time of the throw. That was a timing throw with Nauta as the first option and Sony as the distraction opening the middle of the field up for Nauta. It would have worked perfectly if Nauta and the LB didn't run into each other.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:31 am to djsdawg
The LB was already toast by the time he collided with Nauta... it ended up being more exaggerated as a result of the collision, but Sony walks into the EZ either way... it's actually just about a perfect "rub" by Nauta - although perhaps not intentionally so... the ball just went to the wrong place.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:32 am to djsdawg
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I am talking about the way the play was designed and would have worked if the LB and Nauta didn't collide.
I understand, but there is no way that LB was going to catch Sony to cover him, even if they do not collide, in my opinion. However, as I have said nobody truly knows. All we can do on here is speculate and guess. But any way you slice it, it was a bad read.
As for what would have happened if Nauta got into the end zone? (I know you didn't say this, just trying to consolidate my posts) Unless he made a great play that wasn't going to happen, either. The guy that almost made the pick would/should have stopped him. Again...we can only guess if he would have done it, but he should have. He was in position.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:34 am to crispyUGA
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Nauta's route would likely have run him open,
Maybe. That hinges on what the safety that almost made the pick did. If he had come forward he would have picked Nauta up. but we can only guess what would have happened.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:37 am to djsdawg
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Nauta as the first option and Sony as the distraction opening the middle of the field up for Nauta.
That's our point. Fromm had already made up his mind who was getting the ball, and he was wrong.
#8 for Tennessee was on Nauta all the way, so I have to disagree with you.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:37 am to DawgsLife
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hinges on what the safety that almost made the pick did. If he had come forward he would have picked Nauta up. but we can only guess what would have happened.
We can clearly see how far back that safety is, and he isn't close enough to defend that pass. After the catch, It would have been a 1 on 1 inside the 10. Who you gonna bet on there?
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