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Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:40 am to DawgsLife
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there is no way that LB was going to catch Sony to cover him
That's typically an easy thing to cover up....if he doesn't run into a TE.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:43 am to fibonaccisquared
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The LB was already toast by the time he collided with Nauta...
I disageee with this. He recognized Sony early and was running directly towards him. He was only about 5 yards away in the pic above, and that's with a road block in his way.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:44 am to fibonaccisquared
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it's actually just about a perfect "rub" by Nauta - although perhaps not intentionall
Agree. It's a great play design. Too bad that wasn't the intent of our play, but I hope we see that and use it.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:47 am to djsdawg
We saw Eason in mop up duty
I think that means we can assume that we will see him again this year in a meaningful role - does that mean he starts again?
I don't know, but I tend to think he probably does
I said this before (I think) - what I had hoped for was to see Fromm play all year & get us to Atlanta, and then to have Eason start in the SECCG against Bama, to throw a wrinkle in the game and hit them with something they had failed to prepare for
Just wild assed wishful thinking...
I think that means we can assume that we will see him again this year in a meaningful role - does that mean he starts again?
I don't know, but I tend to think he probably does
I said this before (I think) - what I had hoped for was to see Fromm play all year & get us to Atlanta, and then to have Eason start in the SECCG against Bama, to throw a wrinkle in the game and hit them with something they had failed to prepare for
Just wild assed wishful thinking...
Posted on 10/5/17 at 11:57 am to dcbl
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and then to have Eason start in the SECCG against Bama, to throw a wrinkle in the game and hit them with something they had failed to prepare for
If we make it to Atlanta Saban would be prepared to face a future QB who's still in 9th grade. Nothing gets past that freak.
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 11:59 am
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:04 pm to Dawg4Life47
So I'm actually on the Eason train and I think he should start due to an expanded playbook and probably practice better than from.
I asked the other day if Eason threw a pass and FIB confirmed for me. I got busy and wasn't able to continue my point.
Being an Eason guy, some kids show it in Practice but for whatever reason it's not there in the game and everything tells you they should be the guy except for their in game decisions. Eason missed the read on his lone pass against UTK and I worry for him that he may be that type that shows it in practice all week but in the game just can't get it right.
I walked away from that bad decision really discouraged for Eason because he has all of the talent in the world.
I asked the other day if Eason threw a pass and FIB confirmed for me. I got busy and wasn't able to continue my point.
Being an Eason guy, some kids show it in Practice but for whatever reason it's not there in the game and everything tells you they should be the guy except for their in game decisions. Eason missed the read on his lone pass against UTK and I worry for him that he may be that type that shows it in practice all week but in the game just can't get it right.
I walked away from that bad decision really discouraged for Eason because he has all of the talent in the world.
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:04 pm to DawgsLife
quote:It's easy to second guess a play after the fact. What you need to do is look at the play as it was drawn up and executed. If Nauta stays on his feet and is covered the whole time, I'd be with you on this one that Fromm should have progressed to Michel but Nauta falling down ruins all of that because we don't know what would have happened.
But he didn't, and that is the problem. It would not have even been close had he thrown it to Michel. The LB could not get to Sony...could not even come close.
What I can tell is that Fromm targeted Nauta and that the ball was thrown to an area of the field where there was a huge hole in the defense and the ball was thrown before Nauta fell down. Many times QBs throw the ball before the receiver is actually open because they are anticipating the receiver getting open. It looked like that was the case here, as none of the defenders were running with Nauta. If he doesn't fall down, he's by himself in the hole where the ball was thrown with only a safety to try to tackle him within a few yards of the end zone.
We just don't know what would have happened, but assuming Nauta doesn't fall down, it looks like it could have been a good throw regardless of whoever else was open.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:06 pm to FooManChoo
For the record, it was a slant and a wheel with Sony and Nauta. Everything in the world told Fromm to throw it to Sony but got locked in to the slant with Nauta and was lucky to not have that pass intercepted.
Bad read but he doesn't do it that often.
In college they throw to spots and high low or inside out defenders. They have to figure out the coverage and they know which guy they want to attack. Fromm misread it.
Bad read but he doesn't do it that often.
In college they throw to spots and high low or inside out defenders. They have to figure out the coverage and they know which guy they want to attack. Fromm misread it.
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:15 pm to DoubleDawg22
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For the record, it was a slant and a wheel with Sony and Nauta. Everything in the world told Fromm to throw it to Sony but got locked in to the slant with Nauta and was lucky to not have that pass intercepted.
Bad read but he doesn't do it that often.
In college they throw to spots and high low or inside out defenders. They have to figure out the coverage and they know which guy they want to attack. Fromm misread it.
Before the snap, Fromm knew the LB had coverage on Sony and Nauta has inside leverage on the undersized db. Fromm was unable to account for the traffic jam when he decided to throw the ball. That jam is the only reason Sony was wide open and Nauta was on the ground. If the play works as designed, Sony takes the LB out of the play, and Fromm throws to a spot to the open primary target that would have led to a first down at worst, td at best.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:24 pm to FooManChoo
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but Nauta falling down ruins all of that because we don't know what would have happened
What if he did it on purpose?
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:27 pm to djsdawg
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We can clearly see how far back that safety is, and he isn't close enough to defend that pass.
yes he was. he was close enough to come close to the pick, and he wouldn't have just stood there, he would have come forward....or if he played his position correctly he would have come forward.
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After the catch, It would have been a 1 on 1 inside the 10. Who you gonna bet on there?
Not one on one, it would have been two on one. theguy that was initially covering Nauta would have stuck with him, too, because there was nobody else in the backfield.
You seem to want to believe things but your assumptions are incorrect, if they play their positions correctly and as they should. There are no guarantees that they would have, but I can assure you Nauta was not going to come open. nauta was tightly covered when the ball was thrown, and he should have been covered all the way through his route.....UNLESS the safety dropped Nauta and went to Michel to give over the top help. But the fact that he had a shot at a pick tells me he was aware of what was happening and stayed where he was supposed to be.
Again...I really get tired of arguing these type points, because in order for me to be correct I have to assume things that I don't have any way of knowing, and you do, too. What we can see on the playback is that Michel was wide open and the ball was thrown to Nauta.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:28 pm to Spaceman Spiff
quote:Well then we should be having a different conversation
What if he did it on purpose?
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:30 pm to djsdawg
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Before the snap, Fromm knew the LB had coverage on Sony
If this is true, then he should have gone to Sony. No way the LB was going to make up that much ground on somebody with Sony's speed. There is no way he could make up that much ground on Sony whether he runs into Nauta or not.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:31 pm to DawgsLife
quote:You can also see a glaring hole in the defense where the ball was placed and where Nauta appeared to be headed prior to falling down.
Again...I really get tired of arguing these type points, because in order for me to be correct I have to assume things that I don't have any way of knowing, and you do, too. What we can see on the playback is that Michel was wide open and the ball was thrown to Nauta.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:32 pm to FooManChoo
You guys claiming Michel wasn't wide open are either blind or crazy. He was wide open and would have walked into the endzone. Fromm never looked at him because he is too locked in on his first receiver and doesn't go through his progressions enough.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:33 pm to dcbl
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o throw a wrinkle in the game and hit them with something they had failed to prepare for
I'm not sure that would apply here. there just isn't that much of a difference in Fromm and Eason in style. I mean, they are both pocket passers as a whole. Fromm can run, but neither are a threat to pull it down and run on a regular basis. You would prepare for them both pretty much the same, I would think.
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:35 pm to FooManChoo
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You can also see a glaring hole in the defense where the ball was placed and where Nauta appeared to be headed prior to falling down.
I understand what you are saying, Foo, but take a look at it again and picture Nauta going forward about 5 yards and the safety that almost made the pick going forward about 5 yards. That open hole magically disappears. The defense should never be standing still...they will be going towards each other and the gap grows smaller very, very quickly. (Not to mention the guy that was covering Nauta. He would have stayed with him, too.
AGAIN...that assumes the safety does what he is supposed to do.
This post was edited on 10/5/17 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:44 pm to FooManChoo
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You can also see a glaring hole in the defense where the ball was placed and where Nauta appeared to be headed prior to falling down.
After watching it again, I am not so sure the safety could have come over and made the play on Nauta. Just before the snap he broke to his left. I would still argue, though, that the LB that was on Nauta would have stayed with him and made it a very tough play to make.
I'm not sure what the discussion is right now. Are we arguing that Fromm made a bad read, or a bad pass, or what?
Posted on 10/5/17 at 12:47 pm to DawgsLife
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he was close enough to come close to the pick, and he wouldn't have just stood there, he would have come forward....or if he played his position correctly he would have come forward.
He did come forward, but when you are far back like he was, how far you can come is limited. If he was in position to defend that pass, he would not have had to dive forward to the ground just to get to the ball at the 4 yard line as he did.
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it would have been two on one. theguy that was initially covering Nauta would have stuck with him, too, because there was nobody else in the backfield.
If you look closely, this guy was facing Sony, thus would not have been in position to defend the pass where the route was heading. He have been left in the dust due to being distracted by Sony.
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