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re: Eason will start vs Vandy?

Posted on 10/5/17 at 7:13 am to
Posted by Croot
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 10/5/17 at 7:13 am to
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If I were a 5* star 17yo kid, I would certainly think twice about committing to UGA if this is the way we handle injuries.


have another beer, he got replaced by another 5 star and has been clearly outplayed.
Posted by ugafan426
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:27 am to
Why is everyone so quick to dump on Eason? Why does Fromm get a pass for making dumb mistakes when Eason gets torn up for making the same ones last year? Fromm did not have a good game against UT as a passer. People are rationalizing and making excuses for his bad throw to Nauta (when he tripped) and 2 TERRIBLE throws on slant routes (1 of which was an int, the other should have been). Question - Was Eason's int at the end of the Tech game last year his fault or Godwin's? It was on a slant route and it wasn't a great throw but it did Godwin in the hands. Fromm made that same bad throw last Saturday, yet he gets excuses made for him.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
16898 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:32 am to
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Just because a pass hits a DBs hand, doesnt mean it should have been an INT.

By that logic, I guess we could also say this:

Just because a pass hits a WRs hands, it doesn't mean it should have been a catch. Guys like Mecole and Terry were rated as Athletes and DBs out of HS for a reason.

There is a reason that Kirby's comments involve grading based on decision making rather than strictly outcomes. A bad decision is still a bad decision, regardless of whether you pay a price for it.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:52 am to
But let's get back to how you said the offense changed as soon as Fromm came in.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Posted on 10/5/17 at 8:56 am to
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But let's get back to how you said the offense changed as soon as Fromm came in.


Assuming this is a few pages back? Will look.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:06 am to
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Imagine tossing a legitimate passing game in


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Our passing game isn't legit?


Well, we are last in the SEC in yards. The passing game is ok, but I don't think anybody is terrified of it.
AS A WHOLE we are not winning games with passes. We are winning them with defense and the running game....and Special Teams. The passing game is not bad, so don't misunderstand me. It's just not real good, either.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:07 am to
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eople are rationalizing and making excuses for his bad throw to Nauta (when he tripped)


It may have been the wrong read but it wasn't a bad throw.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:08 am to
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we are last in the SEC in yards. The passing game is ok, but I don't think anybody is terrified of it.


Last by choice and part of that reason is because our passing game is pretty damn good.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:18 am to
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Last by choice and part of that reason is because our passing game is pretty damn good.


Our passing game is good so we choose not to use it? That's what you are going with?

It's last, true because we are not using it. but the reason we are not using it isn't because it is so good. It is because the coaches are protecting Fromm.....which they should. Our running game is very good. maybe we should stop using it?
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58943 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:22 am to
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eople are rationalizing and making excuses for his bad throw to Nauta (when he tripped)


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It may have been the wrong read but it wasn't a bad throw.


I remember the play being discussed, but not all the nuances. Does anybody remember what quarter it happened in, so I can go back and take a look at it?

I know Sony went down the sideline and was open, and Fromm chose to throw it to Nauta. I also remember Nauta fell down and the ball went over his head, but I don't remember if Nauta fell before the throw or after it was thrown, etc.

For some reason I remember thinking the throw was over Nauta's head and would have been incomplete anyway, but I don't know if that is true. Anybody remember what quarter it was in?
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
33079 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:27 am to
It was our first drive on 3rd down. Fromm was in throwing motion before Nauta fell and the throw was not high.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
The mystical waters of the Hooch
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:30 am to
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But let's get back to how you said the offense changed as soon as Fromm came in.



Looks like my memory has likely been clouded by what I read following the game regarding the shift more so than reality. Touche.

Eason did take the first snap of the first 2 possessions from under center to hand off... not something that Fromm looks to have done up until 2nd and goal from the 1 (because reasons). It also looks like the primary receiver for Fromm's plays are mostly quicker developing reads/routes. Can't really tell if that's because Eason holds on to the ball longer before making a decision or simply by design though. It does seem as though Chaney has decided by the fourth possession (the first one that Fromm "starts") that he's going to have to use quick throws to open up the run (and the play action - Fromm's best pass at least in the first couple of possessions to Wims). Prior to that, we're getting stuffed on our attempts to run on first down. Would guess that is less script and more reaction/adjustment, but only the coaches could answer that for ya.


Unrelated... relistening to the first few possessions of this game reminds me of how *bad* Tuberville is as an announcer. Please don't let us have him again... "indoctoration"
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
33079 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:32 am to
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Our passing game is good so we choose not to use it? That's what you are going with?


Yes. We are using it, but for only half a game. Our leads get so big so quick, we chose to run the clock out in the 2nd half.
Posted by GurleyGirl
Georgia
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:41 am to
I think what he might be trying to say is our passing game is effective because we don't have to use it that often. As such it's somewhat of a surprise when we do use it and it keeps the defense guessing because it's efficient/effective. For instance, in the UT though Fromm only had 15 passing attempts for 84 yards, one of those passes was for a TD and 5 of those passes were for first downs. That's a pretty efficient passing productivity ratio if you ask me. And if Eason had not missed a wide-open receiver in the endzone, it would have been 2 TD passes out of 17 total attempts.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
33079 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:41 am to
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reminds me of how *bad* Tuberville is as an announcer. Please don't let us have him again... "indoctoration"


We have him this or next week. He was truly awful.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58943 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 9:52 am to
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It was our first drive on 3rd down. Fromm was in throwing motion before Nauta fell and the throw was not high.




Me thinking it was high probably had more to do with Nauta falling. Thanks for the info. I'll take a look.
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58943 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 10:01 am to
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It was our first drive on 3rd down. Fromm was in throwing motion before Nauta fell and the throw was not high.


The pass definitely should NOT have gone to Nauta. Even before he fell he was very well covered. It did, however look that Nauta began to fall almost at the same time Fromm released the ball. But it was definitely a poor choice to try to force the ball to Nauta.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
33079 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 10:14 am to
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pass definitely should NOT have gone to Nauta. Even before he fell he was very well covered. It did, however look that Nauta began to fall almost at the same time Fromm released the ball. But it was definitely a poor choice to try to force the ball to Nauta.


What he didn't know at the time of the pass attempt was that the LB responsible for Sony would run into Nauta, thus knocking him down. Otherwise, Sony is covered and Nauta is open, making it the correct read.
Posted by fibonaccisquared
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Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 10/5/17 at 10:15 am to
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It was our first drive on 3rd down. Fromm was in throwing motion before Nauta fell and the throw was not high.


Doing this shite with youtube is difficult, lol... no precision/slow mo.

LINK

Nauta's at the 15 when it's thrown and already off balance (not yet "falling") at the time when it's thrown. He likely would have been at the 12 yard line at the time the ball is arriving if he had been upright. The ball is at thigh level at the 5 yard line and the attempt at an INT is made around the 4 yard line. It's a little high...
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58943 posts
Posted on 10/5/17 at 10:17 am to
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What he didn't know at the time of the pass attempt was that the LB responsible for Sony would run into Nauta, thus knocking him down. Otherwise, Sony is covered and Nauta is open, making it the correct read.


I would disagree, but we could go back and forth all day on our opinion. However, I do appreciate your letting me know where to find the play.

And, don't get me wrong. Fromm is a true freshman. They don't make 100% correct choices. I think he is doing a great job, and am leaning towards him keeping the job, since he has done well for this length of time.
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