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Posted on 5/3/17 at 12:50 pm to DawgsLife
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This was aimed at your characterizing smoking marijuana
as a victimless crime. I guess it is safe to say it is victimless....until there is a victim. The statistics show, however, that it is not unusual for people to smoke and drive. Are you prepared to say that a 48% increase in driving fatalities is acceptable?
Ingesting weed in itself is victimless. That's what eh did. Inebriated driving can certainly involve victims. That's not what eh did.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:02 pm to deeprig9
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I researched it.
First of all, there's only a 29% increase.
Still pretty significant.
I don't think we will ever know the exact number. It's almost impossible considering all the factors that go into, or do not go into compiling these statistics. I have seem articles saying that fatalities have actually gone down, but they were mainly opinion based on suspect research. however, your link has to be given some weight considering it came from the Colorado DOT. Solid source, I would think!
So many factors go into traffic accidents...weather, alcohol, population growth, it would be very difficult to pin down a single cause.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:03 pm to deeprig9
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I feel compelled to also add...
Colorado highway fatalities have been steadily rising since 2011.
Weed wasn't sold legally until 2014.
Fair enough.
ETA
One last point that should be made, is that THC can be shown in your system days after usage, so I don't know if/how this was taken into account in the fatal accidents.
However, levels appear to lessen and slowly go away as time goes on, so they may have tested for higher levels of THC in their systems. (Not sure if this makes sense...it did in my head, but...you know how that goes.)
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:06 pm to djsdawg
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Ingesting weed in itself is victimless.
True. Just being devil's advocate here....
So is shooting heroine. there are a lot of crimes that start off being vicitimless that turn into something else.
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Inebriated driving can certainly involve victims. That's not what eh did.
Absolutely true. And kudos to him for being responsible and not getting into a car and driving while high. I hope he gets this behind him and becomes another great RB at Georgia.
I was not trying to villify him by any stretch.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:41 pm to DawgsLife
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So is shooting heroine.
Eh. It's like opioids. Can be extremely physically addicting and can easily kill the user. Opioids can put a user in extreme debt which can affect a family big time.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:45 pm to djsdawg
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Eh. It's like opioids. Can be extremely physically addicting and can easily kill the user. Opioids can put a user in extreme debt which can affect a family big time.
But it is dangerous only for the user. (Opioids/Heroine)
Whether people like to believe it or not, there are health risks to smoking marijuana, too...which can lead to high medical bills and affect a family. Anything can cause problems for a family, pretty much. Alcohol. Drugs. Obesity. (Although, I realize that eating too much is not against the law......yet.)
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:55 pm to DawgsLife
quote:There really aren't hardly any. Pretty much no one smokes enough to have the same type of lung issues you get from cigarettes (not to mention all the additives etc) and even in those it's young people who present with a form that also happens in non smokers so it's hard to say that's due to the marijuana.
health risks to smoking marijuana, too...which can lead to high medical bills
Posted on 5/3/17 at 1:56 pm to TMDawg
The crazy part is if alcohol was just now discovered there is zero way it would be legal. Infinitely worse on the body and society than marijuana when you start talking about the effect on abusers rather than casual users.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:23 pm to TMDawg
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Pretty much no one smokes enough to have the same type of lung issues you get from cigarettes
That's a good point. most people probably don't smoke 2 packs a day!
Marijuana on the Brain
Could smoking marijuana change the way the brain works? That's what researchers are finding.
Brain imaging scans of heavy marijuana smokers have revealed changes in blood flow to parts of the brain involved in memory and attention. Researchers have also noted differences in the size and shape of the thalamus, the part of the brain that's involved in consciousness and information processing.
Heavy pot smokers in studies score lower than non-users on tests of memory, attention, and learning. The more they smoked, the worse they did.
The effects of smoking pot may be even more pronounced in teenage smokers than adults, because teens' brains are still developing.
Regular users are more likely to be diagnosed with schizophrenia, especially when they have a family history of the condition.
Other Health Effects
Marijuana can have effects beyond the lungs and brain. These include:
Anxiety
Depression
Fast heart rate
Increased risk of heart attack (within the first hour after smoking)
Suicidal thoughts in teens
WebMD
Sorry for the heavy paste/cut, but those were the main sections.
Shoot. I don't know if it is any worse than someone who is obese, actually. I've often felt obesity is one of the biggest contributors to health problems in the United States.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:25 pm to TMDawg
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The crazy part is if alcohol was just now discovered there is zero way it would be legal. Infinitely worse on the body and society than marijuana when you start talking about the effect on abusers rather than casual users.
I can see this. And alcohol takes huge toll on human life and property damage. Destroys families. The reason it is legal is because it is so socially acceptable.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:26 pm to DawgsLife
Is WebMD talking about Sativa or Indica?
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:32 pm to DawgsLife
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But it is dangerous only for the user. (Opioids/Heroine)
Whether people like to believe it or not, there are health risks to smoking marijuana, too...which can lead to high medical bills and affect a family.
The health risks associated with marijuana vs. opiates/heroin are like the common cold vs. cancer.
Someone who smokes a shite ton could one day maybe develop some lung issues. A person who is addicted to heroin will almost definitely destroy themselves to at least some extent, and the American taxpayer usually gets to pay for it. Nevermind the risk of actual lethal overdose that isn't in play with pot.
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:35 pm to Crowknowsbest
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The health risks associated with marijuana vs. opiates/heroin are like the common cold vs. cancer.
No doubt! I didn't mean to infer otherwise.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:36 pm to DawgsLife
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:37 pm to DawgsLife
quote:And you're 100% right about that. And it's getting worse at a disturbing rate.
I've often felt obesity is one of the biggest contributors to health problems in the United States.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:38 pm to DawgsLife
I'll also say that webMD tends to lump a lot of things together. I mean you can look up a typical headache on there and it's listing everything from subarachnoid hemorrhage to a GBM. It's honestly not a very useful website for most things. In my opinion anyways.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:50 pm to deeprig9
Thanks, Deep. After I asked you to do this, I got to thinking of how incredibly lazy I was being, asking you to do the legwork for me. I wouldn't have blamed you if you had sent me a link to GOOGLE.
Thanks for doing that.
Thanks for doing that.
Posted on 5/3/17 at 2:53 pm to TMDawg
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I'll also say that webMD tends to lump a lot of things together. I mean you can look up a typical headache on there and it's listing everything from subarachnoid hemorrhage to a GBM. It's honestly not a very useful website for most things. In my opinion anyways.
I knew it was not the best link. I was just hoping that the in general information would be helpful.
Unfortunately, today, it is very difficult to determine what is real and what is false information. So many sites contradict each other. It seems the whole world is getting worse about this. Everything has a partisan side, and they all post studies and scientific "facts" that simply are not factual. It's difficult to know who to trust these days.
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