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Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:38 pm to
Posted by scrooster
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:38 pm to
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Any you wonder why (the far left wing socialist progressive fricktard) Millennials figuratively throw feces at you?


No, trust me, I do not. Nor do I care quite frankly. I know exactly why they do what they do.

BTW, fify.
This post was edited on 2/5/16 at 9:39 pm
Posted by greenbastard
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:41 pm to
Dude, you're over the top . Get over it!

This is how I imagine you typing about your struggles.

Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:43 pm to
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The First amendment calls for freedom to observe a religion but does not allow for a state sponsored religion


You don't think that observing a religion within government would be respecting an establishment of religion?

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Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:44 pm to
I failed my civil war history class midterm in College because of that sentiment.

My professor was from New Zealand and she had no idea why I was calling battles different names and rejected her theory of slavery alone caused the war.
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:46 pm to
No I do not as the US is based in Christian law and within Christianity there are many sects.

If you look at most religions other than the mythology and what modern persons consider pagan, most religions are the same. The stories and symbolism is the same. Just names and places change.
This post was edited on 2/5/16 at 9:48 pm
Posted by NYCAuburn
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:53 pm to
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scrooster


What charleston family names if you don't mind. My wife is from the caters and marions. We were the eighth generation to get married in the same church in charleston.
Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:59 pm to
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No I do not as the US is based in Christian law and within Christianity there are many sects.


There are some 40,000 versions of Christianity. We should be thankful that the founding fathers did not base our laws on such a divisive philosophy but, rather, reason of conscience.

LINK


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“If I could conceive that the general government might ever be so administered as to render the liberty of conscience insecure, I beg you will be persuaded, that no one would be more zealous than myself to establish effectual barriers against the horrors of spiritual tyranny, and every species of religious persecution.” ~Founding Father George Washington, letter to the United Baptist Chamber of Virginia, May 1789


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“The Government of the United States of America is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion.” ~1797 Treaty of Tripoli signed by Founding Father John Adams



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“Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason, then that of blindfolded fear.” ~Founding Father Thomas Jefferson, letter to Peter Carr, August 10, 1787
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:01 pm to
You really believe that our laws are not based off Christian laws?

Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:03 pm to
You quoted Jefferson who created his own version of the Bible. He would've been never elected nor even supported as a public figure if he ever revealed that he created his own bible.


For the record I am also a Master Mason so I understand what you're angle you are discussing.
This post was edited on 2/5/16 at 10:07 pm
Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:05 pm to
They absolutely are not. They are based on reason and a respect for human dignity and freedom. That's certainly not Christian law.
Posted by Kentucker
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:06 pm to
I included quotes from several founding fathers and the link has many more, all of which condemn the idea of mixing government and religion.
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:07 pm to
You sir need to Reread the bible then.

They are most certainly based off Christian law.

The bible is the greatest read in military, legal, and sociology theory. If read as a non theological document it is a fantastic read.
This post was edited on 2/5/16 at 10:09 pm
Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:09 pm to
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For the record I am also a Master Mason so I understand what you're angle you are discussing.


My apologies, I don't know what a Master Mason is. I'll have to look that title up.

Angle? Why does there have to be an angle?
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:11 pm to
There's an angle to every discussion. When you are trying to convince or popularize your side you have to present it at an angle.

Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:15 pm to
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You sir need to Reread the bible then.


I much prefer statements from the founders themselves. Statements that say they wanted to establish a document, the Constitution, that guarantees citizens the freedom to exercise any religion, or no religion, as long as that free exercise does not cause the persecution of any other citizen.
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:16 pm to
Which again I stated that the laws are based off Christian laws.

The overseeing of the laws are based in Masonry who are an offshoot of the Templars
Posted by Kentucker
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:20 pm to
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There's an angle to every discussion. When you are trying to convince or popularize your side you have to present it at an angle.


This is the first time you and I have been engaged in a discussion so I should tell you that I come to this forum to learn, not to teach.

You surely accept that it's very unlikely that anyone's opinion will be changed by something someone shares on this board.

It's discussion and sharing, not debate. Opinion reigns supreme and as long as everyone accepts that they're just learning the opinions of others, nastiness such as that mentioned by Scrooster serves no purpose and is just a waste of keyboard clicks.
Posted by sms151t
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:28 pm to
Nobody will change an opinion on this board. I am just trying to describe that we all have different points of views (angles) to everything, so if yours is different than mine it's a different angle.

Now that being said, I have enjoyed this discussion as its been civil opinionated and factual all in one. There is no intention of me to "teach" you anything but just present your side.

That is why I asked about war monuments not to chastise ridicule or disagree, but to hear why you thought that. I feel you are allowed to have an opinion I may like it or not, I'm allowed to have an opinion, you can like it or not. But we should be at least be able to conduct a civil conversation, much like the founders did at the Masonic Lodge or two guys sharing stories at a bar. At the end of the conversation we should be able to thank you hope to have another one sometime again.


Sorry for the Crime and Punishment length post
This post was edited on 2/5/16 at 10:31 pm
Posted by Kentucker
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:29 pm to
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Which again I stated that the laws are based off Christian laws.


Perhaps it was because America successfully rebelled against the rule of England, a religious state at the time, that so many people assume that the founding fathers were Christians and, therefore, bound to model our country after the country from which they came.

However, more logical is the certainty that they wanted no more of the repression that a state religion subjects a citizenry to and so they built in guarantees that the tyranny of a philosophy can never take hold in America.
Posted by Kentucker
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Posted on 2/5/16 at 10:32 pm to
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