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Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:10 pm to Kentucker
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I stated my opinion that the Civil War was the beginning of American influence on the world.
How has that worked out for us?
Most Constitutionalists of the day didn't want us involved in foreign wars ... yet we ended up doing too much of that IMHO.
Southerns were definitely against American Imperialism ... but after your precious civil war we became just that, American Imperialists controlled by big money corporate interests.
And now we find ourselves where we are today.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:10 pm to JustGetItRight
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No, you said it was "cemented by the civil war". Had you said (as you did here) that it was the beginning I wouldn't have challenged the statement one bit.
Semantics, I think. We're still arguing about an opinion, which is always an exercise in futility.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:13 pm to Kentucker
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Genteel war is an oxymoron. War is obscene and the Civil War was total war.
Obscenities abounded.
You didn't answer my question. As a matter of fact you intentionally ignored the question and answered another question that was not asked.
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I don't like memorials to any war but I'm not part of the majority opinion so I have to accept them.
So all war memorials should be obliterated in your opinion ... like ISIS is doing Christian monuments in Syria, Libya and Iraq.
Gotcha
Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:14 pm to sms151t
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But that is not how the law is written. It has been misinterpreted that way much like everyone believes you have freedom of speech.
What law? Do you mean the Constitution's decrees against mixing government and religion? They're fast and reliable.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:15 pm to scrooster
We did not allow Japan to keep the emperor McArthur went in as ruler. They imprisoned Tojo and tried him as a war criminal.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:18 pm to sms151t
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Why do you not like war memorials?
It's because of what they say about our species. Where are the monuments to our progress? Shouldn't they be the most visible expressions of our humanity?
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Do do you have issue with stadiums such as Soldier Field?
Issue? No. Obviously I'm in too small a minority to generate an issue with American war idols.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:18 pm to Kentucker
The First amendment calls for freedom to observe a religion but does not allow for a state sponsored religion
People use Jefferson wall of seperation as defense of no religion in the government.
Since our court system is based on precedence once a judge advocated for removal all interpretations have to be based off that, unless a procedural flaw was found.
People use Jefferson wall of seperation as defense of no religion in the government.
Since our court system is based on precedence once a judge advocated for removal all interpretations have to be based off that, unless a procedural flaw was found.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:20 pm to sms151t
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We did not allow Japan to keep the emperor McArthur went in as ruler. They imprisoned Tojo and tried him as a war criminal.
You're wrong.
Hirohito reigned over Japan from December 25, 1926 –
January 7, 1989.
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After the war, he was not prosecuted for war crimes as many other leading government figures were, and his degree of involvement in wartime decisions remains controversial among historians.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:21 pm to Kentucker
Fair enough you are at least able to formulate your own opinion about war monuments and gave reasoning to object. I wasn't trying to take a shot just was wanting a reason.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:23 pm to Kentucker
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Where are the monuments to our progress?
In the cities and the skyscrapers .... in our society, in our willingness to help one another, in our basic desire for good over evil.
Sheeesh ... so you're an American hater?
How about the different people we elect to lead us. Or in our willingness to send more money overseas to help those less fortunate ... more money than any country in history.
Or how about in our willingness to fight for what we believe in ... and we may not always be right, but we're always willing to fight for it regardless.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:24 pm to scrooster
Hirohito is much like Queen Elizabeth figure head. They deposed him of his power after WW2, you know this. That is what I thought you meant.
Tojo, was de facto President and a tyrant who is despised much like Lavall is in France or Quisling is in Scandanavia.
Tojo, was de facto President and a tyrant who is despised much like Lavall is in France or Quisling is in Scandanavia.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:27 pm to scrooster
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How has that worked out for us?
Most Constitutionalists of the day didn't want us involved in foreign wars ... yet we ended up doing too much of that IMHO.
As a Libertarian I would prefer that America be concerned about American issues only but that ship sailed early in the last century. We are part of a global community and there is no turning back.
The logical course to take now is to use our might and influence to make the world a better place. This is happening more rapidly than ever before.
America is using its might against horrendous groups who would take us back to the dark ages. Also, American technology culture has swamped the world.
American English is spoken by more foreigners than is the Queen's English. We are shaping the world's future.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:29 pm to scrooster
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You didn't answer my question. As a matter of fact you intentionally ignored the question and answered another question that was not asked.
I thought I did. What Sherman did was obscene. War is obscene.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:32 pm to sms151t
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Hirohito is much like Queen Elizabeth figure head. They deposed him of his power after WW2, you know this. That is what I thought you meant.
Tojo, was de facto President and a tyrant who is despised much like Lavall is in France or Quisling is in Scandanavia.
No, actually, what you typed was ...
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We did not allow Japan to keep the emperor McArthur went in as ruler. They imprisoned Tojo and tried him as a war criminal.
And Hirohito was most definitely known as Emperor Showa, the 124th Emperor of Japan and he reigned until 1989. He was succeeded by his eldest son, Emperor Akihito who still reigns today.
Had you typed that we tried Hideki Tojo as a war criminal, and not implied that he was Emperor, I would not have challenged your claim, but Tojo was a general, War Minister and Prime Minister, not Emperor.
He was hung in December of 1948.
But I get your point ... I just wonder if you got mine about us allowing Japan to keep their Emperor?
Japan has also been allowed to erect many memorials to their soldiers, sailors and pilots who fought in WWII.
This post was edited on 2/5/16 at 9:36 pm
Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:33 pm to scrooster
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So all war memorials should be obliterated in your opinion ... like ISIS is doing Christian monuments in Syria, Libya and Iraq.
What's wrong with having an opinion? You have yours.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:34 pm to Kentucker
Sherman is on the same level as Tojo and Von Hindenburgh to me
He burned and killed old men and boys.
While I understand his theory his application was unwarranted. The defenses he faced were much like the defense of Berlin in WW2, non existent and would've given up if given a chance.
He burned and killed old men and boys.
While I understand his theory his application was unwarranted. The defenses he faced were much like the defense of Berlin in WW2, non existent and would've given up if given a chance.
Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:35 pm to scrooster
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Sheeesh ... so you're an American hater?
And you wonder why Millennials figuratively throw feces at you?
This post was edited on 2/5/16 at 9:37 pm
Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:35 pm to scrooster
I did not imply Tojo was the emperor
But the US has always allowed certain people to keep their ceremonial titles.
The US military usually asks for three things after a war.
A plot of land to respectfully bury their dead
A res total of democracy and humane treatment of people
A passage home and thank you for assisting a land/country regain prosperity
But the US has always allowed certain people to keep their ceremonial titles.
The US military usually asks for three things after a war.
A plot of land to respectfully bury their dead
A res total of democracy and humane treatment of people
A passage home and thank you for assisting a land/country regain prosperity
This post was edited on 2/5/16 at 9:40 pm
Posted on 2/5/16 at 9:36 pm to sms151t
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Sherman is on the same level as Tojo and Von Hindenburgh to me
He burned and killed old men and boys.
While I understand his theory his application was unwarranted. The defenses he faced were much like the defense of Berlin in WW2, non existent and would've given up if given a chance.
Very very well stated. I wish I could uparrow you more than once.
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