re: Judge rules against opponents of removing Confederate memorials ...

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I'm waiting for W&L to become W again. Wonder if they'll try to remove the Chapel.

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Let them try.

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Anyone who doesn't know that the awful Civil War was centered on the issue of slavery is being mindfully ignorant. I can't recall a conflict within another nation that was caused by the principle that freedom is for all citizens.

It may sound weird but I'm glad for the war. It has resounded through the 151 years of history since it ended.

America's role as the leader of democratic nations was cemented by the Civil War, not the Revolution of 1776 or either of the World Wars. We showed the world that we would not back down from our pledge to offer equal opportunity to everyone and that there would be no one excluded from the human rights and dignity afforded by our Constitution.

Long live America, the land of equal opportunity.

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Kentucky allowed the removal of the Jefferson Davis statue correct?

And all Confederate memorials are under attack, all across the South.

So it'll be okay when they decide to bulldoze the Confederate cemeteries too huh? Because there are already proposals for that to happen in one place.

I mean it's not like all the Muslim statues going up, silently across the country ... it's not like this is anything comparable to what ISIS is doing to the history of Syria right now, is it? Tearing down old Christian monuments because, well, they don't like them ... they find them offensive to Allah and all.

I read what some of you people in this thread are typing ... and it's disgusting. You just don't get it.

It's pathetic.

You cannot white wash a history of a region, or a country, just because you find certain past aspects of it offensive. It's just not done in civilized countries.

This is 2016. This is not the same America that it was 150-450 years ago. But people in this region should still be allowed to retain some semblance of their culture and tradition, retain their honor. Many a Southerner fought in other wars for this country.

So is it time to remove statues of Harry S. Truman ... because he is offensive to the Japanese? Or FDR for that matter, because he interned so many Japanese Americans?

This is a slippery slope and I had hoped we could have an adult, intelligent, conversation about the subject on this forum ... but I should have known better. Too many millennial pussies around here ... too much playing the race card. It makes anything resembling an adult conversation impossible.

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the rest of what you said is utter nonsense and completely disproven by historical fact

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That the United States became the leader of the world is hardly nonsense. When it began may be opinion but fighting a civil war to end slavery helped make this country more powerful and willful than any other.

From Lincoln's second inaugural address:

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One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union, even by war

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I'm not leaving ...

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You old. You leaving

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I'm Scotch-Irish

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That's pretty close to a cockapoo correct?

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That the United States became the leader of the world is hardly nonsense. When it began may be opinion but fighting a civil war to end slavery helped make this country more powerful and willful than any other.

From Lincoln's second inaugural address:

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It was the beginning of the end of this country as a world leader, the world power, the center of democracy. It's only a matter of time now. Once states' rights were taken away ... it has all led to this and, in all honesty and in the overall history of civilization ... we didn't last very long. What, a couple of hundred years maybe, at best?

This country is in a mess right now. Social welfare systems are overloaded and bankrupt. Illegal immigration is rampant. Fiat currency rules to the point where the middle class is being eviscerated, decimated, destroyed. Christianity is under siege. A socialist, really a communist, is garnering all the brainwashed white guilt millennial vote ... which is the most pathetic thing of all and is illustrated in this thread.

And now ... we're one step short of book burning. We're doing EXACTLY what the religious fanatics in Syria and Lybia are doing ... we're destroying old monuments that do not fit their narrative ... that they find, lulz, "offensive."

Next will come the book burnings. The the gulags.

Soon the Fed, with the blessings of the Federal government, will abolish currency and everything will be done electronically ... so that if you piss them off they can empty your bank account and take everything you have without having any rhyme or reason whatsoever - and the sheople people will duck their heads and look away in fear.

It all started with the Civil War.

Slaves were going to be freed ... it was already happening in the South. Modern machinery was taking over - there was no more need for it. Southerners were pissed that they were being taxed to death to build canals in New York and Federal Buildings in DC ... 7x the amount northern businesses were being taxed. For that matter Southern product had to go through northern ports and be taxed before being sent to England.

I could go on and on.

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Kentucky allowed the removal of the Jefferson Davis statue correct?

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Not yet but the process is under way. Plans are to move the statue to a museum about Kentucky's participation in the war. It certainly doesn't belong in the Capital Rotunda in Frankfort.

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And all Confederate memorials are under attack, all across the South.

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They have their place in museums but not in public places. The sentiments of these memorials to a traitorous rebellion are anti-American.

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I mean it's not like all the Muslim statues going up, silently across the country ... it's not like this is anything comparable to what ISIS is doing to the history of Syria right now, is it? Tearing down old Christian monuments because, well, they don't like them ... they find them offensive to Allah and all.

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I don't know anyone who objects to Christian, or Muslim for that matter, monuments on private property. It's the intrusion of religion, any religion, into government that is illegal and to be resisted with all vigor.

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You cannot white wash a history of a region, or a country, just because you find certain past aspects of it offensive.

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Putting the Confederacy's history into museums is not eliminating it, nor rewriting it. That's the proper place for it. In public places, however, a message exists of support for the ideas of the losing side, who were anti-American.

Confederate cemeteries are, for the most part, on private land beyond the legal reach of anyone who might have objections to them, which would be silly IMO.

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But people in this region should still be allowed to retain some semblance of their culture and tradition, retain their honor.

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They certainly can with appropriate venues. Public places are not appropriate.

Lexington is planning to move all of our Confederate monuments to a museum. They'll make an interesting field trip for kids studying Kentucky and American history.

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A socialist, really a communist, is garnering all the brainwashed white guilt millennial vote

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Crazy arse old white man hyperbole

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We're doing EXACTLY what the religious fanatics in Syria and Lybia are doing

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Or possibly closer to the germans destroying nazi monuments

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Slaves were going to be freed ... it was already happening in the South. Modern machinery was taking over

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Well that one is correct. I guess the thing about a hundred monkeys with typewriters is correct. If you type enough shite you are bound to get something right.

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Southerners were pissed that they were being taxed to death to build canals in New York and Federal Buildings in DC

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Sometimes I wonder what universe you exist in

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They certainly can with appropriate venues. Public places are not appropriate.

Lexington is planning to move all of our Confederate monuments to a museum. They'll make an interesting field trip for kids studying Kentucky and American history.

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I don't necessarily disagree with this.

I think I was fairly clear ... the problem I have is with it being removed and melted down for scrap. The problem I have is with the double-standard, the hypocrisy.

If we're talking strictly about winners and losers here then that's never really been the American way ... at least not in wars fought in other countries.

We allowed the Japanese to keep their emperor after WWII, did we not?

At the same time, I'll ask this question again ... name the only time in American history where we allowed a general to rape, pillage and burn during a campaign ... and then honored him for it.

Or would you prefer I name the times Americans have been court marshaled for doing anything even remotely similar in an effort to prove my point about the hypocrisy and the double standard.

Thus my other contention in this thread ... fine, remove the Confederate memorials if you must, but do not vandalize them in the process and do not disrespect them.

And remove the Union memorials ... remove the statue of Sherman in Central Park ... or either move Wall Street and our major Federally funded banks outta NYC.

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It's the intrusion of religion, any religion, into government that is illegal

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But that is not how the law is written. It has been misinterpreted that way much like everyone believes you have freedom of speech.

Now you can argue that deprecation of Church and State yet the Founfing Fathers again are referring to the Church of England as their guide.