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re: Missouri's future vs. Tennessee's future.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 8:27 pm to brick
Posted on 10/1/13 at 8:27 pm to brick
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If you are honest, you will recognize that we are in a better position to move forward than your program.
Regardless, I respect Missouri.
Any honest person should realize that no matter which team they like or no matter how much they hate the VOLS. There's a reason Tenn have a 100,000+ stadium, great fanbase, tradition, etc. They'll be back.
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Posted on 10/1/13 at 8:28 pm to Remote Controlled
The game has changed.
Tennessee is having a much harder time recruiting Georgia and South Carolina's recruiting grounds with the successes of Clemson, USC and UGA. However, they have their facilities in place.
Missouri needs better facilities, player development and coaching across the board and last but certainly not least, they need to recruit Illinois heavily!
I think Missouri will compete if those steps are accomplished however if they are not they will remain at Kentucky's caliber. I'm giving the edge to Tennessee as they just currently start with more in facilities and tradition.
You gotta have these..
Tennessee is having a much harder time recruiting Georgia and South Carolina's recruiting grounds with the successes of Clemson, USC and UGA. However, they have their facilities in place.
Missouri needs better facilities, player development and coaching across the board and last but certainly not least, they need to recruit Illinois heavily!
I think Missouri will compete if those steps are accomplished however if they are not they will remain at Kentucky's caliber. I'm giving the edge to Tennessee as they just currently start with more in facilities and tradition.
You gotta have these..
This post was edited on 10/1/13 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 10/1/13 at 8:28 pm to Remote Controlled
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This place has a way of pissing me off.
This place will rip your heart out if you let them.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 8:30 pm to Cheese Grits
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Tennessee already has it and Missouri needs to build it.
We're working on that part of the equation.
I still think winning means more than facilities, uniforms, etc.
Winning breeds more winning.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 8:31 pm to Remote Controlled
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I didn't change any of that...
That was weird.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 8:31 pm to brick
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This place will rip your heart out if you let them.
Lulz.
Already been there my friend.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 8:33 pm to SunHog
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player development
SunHog, I see the rest of your argument, but player development is there. We have put a few All-Pros in the NFL in the last 7 years.
The development is there. It's just one piece of the puzzle though.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 8:35 pm to Remote Controlled
I've never understood the whole facilities thing. Obviously Faurot needs to have some work and expansion done, that's happening now.
I don't get why the training facilities are the big deal. We just opened our 100,000 square foot training facility in 2008. Are all the comments about Mizzou's facilities being shitty because because the training facility is not football exclusive or am I missing something else?
I don't get why the training facilities are the big deal. We just opened our 100,000 square foot training facility in 2008. Are all the comments about Mizzou's facilities being shitty because because the training facility is not football exclusive or am I missing something else?
Posted on 10/1/13 at 8:38 pm to Mizzeaux
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I've never understood the whole facilities thing. Obviously Faurot needs to have some work and expansion done, that's happening now.
I don't get why the training facilities are the big deal. We just opened our 100,000 square foot training facility in 2008. Are all the comments about Mizzou's facilities being shitty because because the training facility is not football exclusive or am I missing something else?
I know Mizzou received over $47mil in ONE year from a few donors for athletics since joining the SEC, not counting the smaller donations. And don't they have a pledge of over $240mil for a number of years. So the facilities part I'm not worried about, they about to get upgraded.lol.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 8:38 pm to Mizzeaux
I think they just assume we have 6 bowflexes and a Richard Simmons workout tape.
Plus, our player development sucks apparently.
Plus, our player development sucks apparently.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 8:42 pm to Mizzeaux
Obviously winning cures all. VA Tech and USCwest don't have squat for facilities and there great programs. But it never hurts. We're doing a $45 million renovation/addition to ours. To me its one of those things that just sweetens the pot when a trying to sell a kid on your program.
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This post was edited on 10/1/13 at 8:43 pm
Posted on 10/1/13 at 8:45 pm to Remote Controlled
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It's just one piece of the puzzle though.
I think you're over looking this a little. If you aren't pulling in 5* running backs and or QB's along with loaded 4* lineman you better have some serious player development. I'm not talking about keeping up with the average number of sending players to the NFL. You would need to be well above average to win in this league.
Y'all have a chance to branch out to all those B1G kids in Illinois that no one else is close to besides Kentucky. I would heavily look at what Kentucky has been doing in the past and do the opposite. Y'all are basically mirror images of each other yet Missouri doesn't have a Louisville in the state. (Bonus)
Kentucky has been sitting underneath Ohio (tons of talent) yet never seemed to capitalize and the same could be said for y'all about Illinois. Mizzou needs a game in Illinois or at least in St. Louis against Illinois just like Arkansas is in Texas.
This post was edited on 10/1/13 at 8:46 pm
Posted on 10/1/13 at 8:46 pm to Remote Controlled
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We're working on that part of the equation.
And that is the first step. I know folks think I harp on attendance so much but it really affects recruiting. The big part will be getting the existing core but growing it across the state in a state filled with pro sports.
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I still think winning means more than facilities, uniforms, etc.
A generation ago this was correct when it was all about the team. These days the kids are coddled and their egos are stroked so much in high school it is much different.
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Winning breeds more winning.
Yes, but the dynamics change. Where most teams fail is going from the underdog to the team with the target. It crushes teams because the view changes. If you are playing Alabama in football or Kentucky in basketball you are the underdog with nothing to lose and everything to gain. If you are the lead dog everybody brings their best to beat you and you have to play every game with no let down.
My feeling for the longest time is that getting to the top is much easier than staying there. Alabama is still a top football program and Minnesota no longer is. They both started out well but Alabama has sustained it while Minnesota crumbled.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 8:49 pm to Cheese Grits
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My feeling for the longest time is that getting to the top is much easier than staying there.
I agree. When your on top everyone is gunning for you. Not to mention it's hard to keep a solid staff of assistants because winning opens up doors for them to move up.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 8:53 pm to VAvolfan
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Not to mention it's hard to keep a solid staff of assistants because winning opens up doors for them to move up.
This is the most overlooked part. Good programs get decimated on secondary staff. It is not like the old days where your staff stayed with you. The money has gotten so big and less tight bonds. How many secondary guys (staff) spend their career at 1 school these days?
Posted on 10/1/13 at 8:56 pm to VAvolfan
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Not to mention it's hard to keep a solid staff of assistants because winning opens up doors for them to move up.
Agreed. Ask coach B, ha.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 8:57 pm to Cheese Grits
Fulmer would probably still be at Tennessee if Cutcliffe had not left for Ole Miss. 
Posted on 10/1/13 at 8:59 pm to Cheese Grits
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Cheese Grits
If you want to start an SEC blog then just do it already.
Your fricking posts make my eyes cross sometimes.
Jesus. Just get to the fricking point already.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 9:00 pm to brick
Chavis left UT and they fall, goes to LSU and they rise. Guy was never a head coach but his presence on a team sure seems to affect their success.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 9:09 pm to Cheese Grits
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Chavis left UT and they fall, goes to LSU and they rise. Guy was never a head coach but his presence on a team sure seems to affect their success.
I agree that Chavis was a great asset to Tennessee, but Cutcliffe was the difference maker, without him Fulmer was lost.
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