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re: Missouri's future vs. Tennessee's future.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 9:11 pm to Remote Controlled
Posted on 10/1/13 at 9:11 pm to Remote Controlled
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Your fricking posts make my eyes cross sometimes.
Jesus. Just get to the fricking point already.
Some answers are simple, some are complex. Not all answers fit into just 120 characters.
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Posted on 10/1/13 at 9:19 pm to Cheese Grits
Yeah, but damn who in the frick has all that information at their fingertips?
A wannabe blogger, that's who.
Just do it already.
You can be like Kiege.
A wannabe blogger, that's who.
Just do it already.
You can be like Kiege.
Posted on 10/1/13 at 9:19 pm to brick
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I agree that Chavis was a great asset to Tennessee, but Cutcliffe was the difference maker, without him Fulmer was lost.
It is when you get more than 1 that the multiplier effect kicks in.
Right after Bryant left UK, Collier replaced him and put this staff together (Don Shula, Chuck Knox, Howard Schnellenberger and Bill Arnsparger) but he could not recruit and the Bryant "hole" created so much expectation. Imagine if Bryant had stayed at UK with that staff!
Posted on 10/1/13 at 9:35 pm to Remote Controlled
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Remote Controlled
If words are too many here are some quick visuals of what many on here have pointed out. LINK
Posted on 10/1/13 at 10:08 pm to Remote Controlled
Lol is this thread serious?
Posted on 10/2/13 at 2:19 am to Stephen A. Burroughs
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btw I like you guys, but we should've added WVU instead.
Business sense like that is why you will never advance past flipping burgers at McDonalds.
Posted on 10/2/13 at 2:27 am to Sleeping Tiger
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Missouri in state talent is on the upswing
Too bad Mizzou isn't getting any of this Missouri instate talent upswing.
This year's class has 0 of the top 10 Missouri high school talent and that speaks LOUDLY.
Posted on 10/2/13 at 2:29 am to Cheese Grits
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They are under capacity and spent at capacity. Numbers are at rock bottom because the Vols are at rock bottom. They have no where to go but up. Even if they can get back to 8 win seasons that negative changes quickly. Ticket sales go up and donations go up. The point being made is they have already built their capacity and now must just pay it off. Put together a few 10 win seasons and that deficit goes quickly. 200 Million / 10,000 seats = 20,000 per seat 200 million / 20,000 seats = 10,000 per seat Don't get me wrong, if the Vols stay down for another decade or so it will hurt long term. The opposite hold true as well tho and they are built up already. What would it cost to get Mizzou to a 100K stadium and a 20K arena just to match the Vols capacity?
I don't have any numbers handy, but there is an obvious flaw in your analysis. A greater number of seats does note an a greater number in revenue. For football the gap is wide, but basketball you would also have to compare average seat ticket price.
Posted on 10/2/13 at 5:48 am to TigerMattSTL
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A greater number of seats does note an a greater number in revenue.
When I say seats it is not just the seat but the add on to seat cost liked food / merchandise / parking / ect. If you have 50,000 at stadium A and 100,000 at stadium B then stadium B should sell much more stuff.
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For football the gap is wide, but basketball you would also have to compare average seat ticket price.
Agreed, but lower level women's basketball at Tennessee come with a "donation" of 1,000 per seat (in addition to the cost of the actual ticket of about 250) which is why I did not factor in the Tennessee Fund. How many Women's College Basketball seats in Mizzou sell for $1,250 per seat? Here is a LINK - Lady Vols Lower Level (does not include corporate suites on level 2) and Mizzou season tickets cost 50 bucks and no donation (except maybe courtside)
Lady Vols = $1,250 per seat
Lady Tigers = $50 per seat
Does this make it a bit clearer?
Mid Court seats for the Tennessee Men run
25,000 initial "donation" + 10,000 annual "donation" + annual cost of actual tickets
Lord, if you add in the K Fund for UK basketball you are talking really big numbers. Are you saying Mizzou basketball is anywhere near UK basketball for "true cost" of basketball tickets? The TSF may look expensive to Mizzou folks but it is dirt cheap when up against "legacy" football and basketball programs in the rest of the SEC.
Keep in mind, the previous post you quoted from did not include any "donation" money in the Tennessee Fund numbers.
Posted on 10/2/13 at 6:01 am to Cheese Grits
@ This thread, UT wins hands down and it isn't even close. Guess this is what happens when you put your four patsies first on you schedule. Hell your fans spent a summer bitching about not pass outs during half time. Mizzou is not prepared for the SEC.
Posted on 10/2/13 at 11:04 am to volfan30
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I've never understood the whole facilities thing. Obviously Faurot needs to have some work and expansion done, that's happening now.
I don't get why the training facilities are the big deal. We just opened our 100,000 square foot training facility in 2008. Are all the comments about Mizzou's facilities being shitty because because the training facility is not football exclusive or am I missing something else?
Until you "get" this, your program will be average at best. Sure you'll have good years, b/c you're going to steal a few players here and there; but overall the program will be average at best. Look at the top ten recruiting classes every year, then google their training facilities. I'd be willing to bet that outside of USCw, every single one of them has top notch 100,000+ sf football facilities. These are part of the things that help get numerous top notch recruits in each class(not just stealing 1 or 2 and pairing them with a bunch of 2-3 stars); and given the correct coaching(something that's been a problem in Knoxville), produce results on the field.
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Lol is this thread serious?
apparently about 7-8 pages(a page or two of it was the auburn guy stirring the pot) of "serious"
This post was edited on 10/2/13 at 11:06 am
Posted on 10/2/13 at 11:19 am to Remote Controlled
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Missouri has an established coach
Stopped reading after the second sentence.
Posted on 10/2/13 at 11:51 am to Mizzeaux
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I don't get why the training facilities are the big deal. We just opened our 100,000 square foot training facility in 2008. Are all the comments about Mizzou's facilities being shitty because because the training facility is not football exclusive or am I missing something else?
From ESPN LINK
1. Alabama
2. LSU
3. Tennessee: Not only has Neyland Stadium gotten a multi-million dollar facelift over the past few years, but the Vols are set to move into a new $45 million football facility this fall. The Vols already had an indoor practice facility, and their new digs will include everything from a mixed martial arts fighting cage, to a restaurant, to cell phone recharging stations in the players’ dressing cubicles in the locker room.
4. Georgia
5. Auburn
6. Florida
7. Arkansas
8. Ole Miss
9. Mississippi State
10. Missouri: A $16 million expansion and renovation project opens this summer. The new facility will measure more than 100,000 square feet, almost doubling the space in the Tigers’ old facility. The locker room will have eight 30-inch plasma high-definition televisions throughout the room.
11. Texas A&M
12. South Carolina
13. Kentucky
14. Vanderbilt
Simple math?
45 million @ Vols > 16 Million @ Tigers
Posted on 10/2/13 at 12:09 pm to Cheese Grits
ESPN needs to do their homework. The 16 million happened in 2008 when the new facility doubled in size to 100,000.
It's been renovated and updated since, but portions are still not football exclusive. Even the indoor football practice fields are used for baseball in the offseason.
It's been renovated and updated since, but portions are still not football exclusive. Even the indoor football practice fields are used for baseball in the offseason.
Posted on 10/2/13 at 12:30 pm to Mizzeaux
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It's been renovated and updated since
What have they done since?
This article from july just showed these improvements LINK
Current sports facility projects in and around Missouri’s campus
• MEMORIAL STADIUM (football): $60 million
• TAYLOR STADIUM (baseball): $4.5 million
• GREEN TENNIS CENTER: $3 million
• THE WALSWORTH FAMILY GOLF COMPLEX: $1.5 million
No mention of football (training) facilities upgrades?
Posted on 10/2/13 at 12:37 pm to Cheese Grits
It happened before July 2013 when your article was written. Perhaps you can google it up. I know they upgraded a good portion of the football portions and added the Tigers in the NFL hallway.
Point still stands that the upgrade that doubled the size of the training facility to 100,000 sq feet happened in 2008 and was not opening in the summer of 2012.
If I was to guess, they spent 16 million upgrading in 2012 and ESPN just fricked up and assumed they were building the new facility that had actually opened in 2008.
Point still stands that the upgrade that doubled the size of the training facility to 100,000 sq feet happened in 2008 and was not opening in the summer of 2012.
If I was to guess, they spent 16 million upgrading in 2012 and ESPN just fricked up and assumed they were building the new facility that had actually opened in 2008.
Posted on 10/2/13 at 12:45 pm to Mizzeaux
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If I was to guess, they spent 16 million upgrading in 2012 and ESPN just fricked up and assumed they were building the new facility that had actually opened in 2008.
Actually make the most sense!
From that other article it looks like the AD had 200 Million planned and those 4 things were about 70 Million which would leave 130 Million somewhere? The question is the other 65%?
Posted on 10/2/13 at 12:55 pm to Cheese Grits
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The question is the other 65%?
Still being raised. The real question is how does ESPN know Mizzou's facilities are 11th best in the SEC if they don't even know when the thing was built?
Posted on 10/2/13 at 2:57 pm to Mizzeaux
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Mizzeaux
Another unanswered question...
Did the Big 12 not have a pass out rule? Seems like some Mizzou fans are unfamiliar with SEC policy.
Posted on 10/2/13 at 3:18 pm to Cheese Grits
Missouri Vs. Tennessee
Facilities = TN
Recruiting Location = TN
Coaching situation = TN
Fanbase = TN
Traditon = TN
Current Talent = Even
Current Recruiting classes = TN
Current Season Results = MO
Stadium = TN
Give me some more categories and we can continue the comparision.
Facilities = TN
Recruiting Location = TN
Coaching situation = TN
Fanbase = TN
Traditon = TN
Current Talent = Even
Current Recruiting classes = TN
Current Season Results = MO
Stadium = TN
Give me some more categories and we can continue the comparision.
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