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re: Watched the 2013 SEC ship game

Posted on 5/20/16 at 1:58 pm to
Posted by JamalSanders
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 1:58 pm to
A good O-line is what makes the offense go.
Posted by TheJones
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 2:01 pm to
We can debate the whole dual threat thing all we want but there's a reason why the past 2 classes we've only heavily recruited dual threat guys

Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 2:05 pm to
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What good pocket passers has he had at Auburn?


Or maybe you can quit blaming hte talent considering Gus has had plenty of opportunities to be at least decent with pocket QBs

He couldn't win with 4* top 100 Mr. Alabama Jeremy Johnson
He couldn't win with 4* top 250 Snowboard Cam
He couldn't win with 3* Mr Alabama Clint Mosely
He couldn't win with 3* Barrett Trotter
He couldn't win with 3* Chris Todd


While at Arkansas Gus only won 9 games despite having the best RB in the past decade in Darren McFadden


This post was edited on 5/20/16 at 2:08 pm
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 2:07 pm to
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if Gus does what i think/hope he's doing and really do more sets with the WRs split out as wide as humanly possible that it will make the passing game MUCH easier for White



Sounds very similar to what Rich Rodriguez does to open running lanes for DT QBs and help DT QBs in the passing game.
Posted by CrazyCadillac
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 2:10 pm to
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He couldn't win with 4* top 100 Mr. Alabama Jeremy Johnson
He couldn't win with 4* top 250 Snowboard Cam
He couldn't win with 3* Mr Alabama Clint Mosely
He couldn't win with 3* Barrett Trotter
He couldn't win with 3* Chris Todd


There is one SEC caliber qb on that list.

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While at Arkansas Gus only won 9 games despite having the best RB in the past decade in Darren McFadden


Yeah he also had Houston fricking Nutt on the sideline
This post was edited on 5/20/16 at 2:12 pm
Posted by joeyb147
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 2:12 pm to
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While at Arkansas Gus only won 9 games despite having the best RB in the past decade in Darren McFadden
9 games, eh?

you sure about that?
Posted by WareagleKK
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 2:13 pm to
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Sounds very similar to what Rich Rodriguez does to open running lanes for DT QBs and help DT QBs in the passing game.


Yep. Makes it much easier for the QBs to read the D in the passing game. It certainly can help in a passing offense as well (similar to what Baylor does).
Posted by WareagleKK
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 2:14 pm to
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We can debate the whole dual threat thing all we want but there's a reason why the past 2 classes we've only heavily recruited dual threat guys


I don't think there's any debate that Gus would RATHER have a DTQB....but "dual" threat insinuates that the QB can throw AND run. Not just 1 or the other.
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 2:15 pm to
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9 games, eh?


I put out the bat signal in this thread earlier.
Posted by JamalSanders
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 2:16 pm to
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ut "dual" threat insinuates that the QB can throw AND run. Not just 1 or the other.
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 2:20 pm to
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Yep. Makes it much easier for the QBs to read the D in the passing game. It certainly can help in a passing offense as well (similar to what Baylor does).



You are forgetting that Baylor uses their QBs as weapons in a DT sense which is important in that scheme. All their QBs' running threat played a key role in their offense.

Regardless, having to make simple reads for a pocket passer isn't very reassuring. Sounds a lot more like the move of a coach wanted to simplify the passing offense for a running QB who needs help in the passing game


This post was edited on 5/20/16 at 2:21 pm
Posted by GenesChin
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 2:23 pm to
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ut "dual" threat insinuates that the QB can throw AND run. Not just 1 or the other.



Pat White couldn't throw at West Virginia. He seemed to do just fine with RichRod's offense.


If Gus is the guru everyone hopes he is, he should be able to open up easy passing lanes for JF3 by spreading the field and running to open up passing lanes.
Posted by beatbammer
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 2:32 pm to
Ahhhhh, the good ol' days when some Auburn fans were calling for Nick Marshall to be benched in order to start Jeremy Johnson.

Posted by threedog79
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 2:44 pm to
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Ahhhhh, the good ol' days when some Auburn fans were calling for Nick Marshall to be benched in order to start Jeremy Johnson.


No crap. How naive we were! Looking back on it, it is like a high school kid talking about how hard life is. We had it good. It was easy. Miss you Nick. Miss ya big guy.
Posted by WareagleKK
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 2:47 pm to
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Pat White couldn't throw at West Virginia. He seemed to do just fine with RichRod's offense.


Just bc he wasn't an NFL QB doesn't mean he couldn't throw. He threw well at WVU. JF3 isn't even on a collegiate level as a passer from what people seem to say about him. I have only seen the A Day game, FSU spring game and some JUCO tape....but it's not even close to a Pat White at WVU level from what I can see.

I will agree with you that the skillset exists with JF3. But my goodness he has to at least hit the open throws, ya know?
This post was edited on 5/20/16 at 2:49 pm
Posted by threedog79
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 2:55 pm to
It amazes me that JJ, with as big as he is, cannot run the read option at least to the point of keeping a defense honest. It appears he is just too scared to take a hit.
Posted by TheJones
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 2:55 pm to
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.but "dual" threat insinuates that the QB can throw AND run.


Not sure why that's news to you.

This whole QB bet bullshite has ruined this board. You've all lost sight that the best QB on our roster is a very mediocre Sean White and that no matter if it's him, JJ, or JF3 we've got a very low ceiling for '16.

So anyway, all this QB starter stuff aside and talking solely about the system that our offense operates in it's clear that our focus for the future of the position is locked into dual threat guys - regardless if that fits the traits that our current QBs have.
Posted by JamalSanders
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 2:57 pm to
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This whole QB bet bullshite has ruined this board. You've all lost sight that the best QB on our roster is a very mediocre Sean White and that no matter if it's him, JJ, or JF3 we've got a very low ceiling for '16.



The bet was that Sean White is A) the best QB on the roster and B) that he is talented enough to win 8 games next year.
Posted by threedog79
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 2:57 pm to
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all this QB starter stuff aside and talking solely about the system that our offense operates in it's clear that our focus for the future of the position is locked into dual threat guys - regardless if that fits the traits that our current QBs have.


Preach and all but, if we don't make it past this year, we may have to retool a whole other system under a new coaching staff.
Posted by TheJones
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 3:00 pm to
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that he is talented enough to win 8 games next year.


woooooooooooooo
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