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Posted on 5/20/16 at 3:03 pm to WareagleKK
Posted on 5/20/16 at 3:03 pm to WareagleKK
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Just bc he wasn't an NFL QB doesn't mean he couldn't throw. He threw well at WVU
Ya, over time he developed as a solid college QB. He wasn't an unbelievable passer when he walked on campus. The argument everyone is making is that Gus can develop Sean White, if he can do that he can at least get JF3 to average passer which combined with running threat is best bet for AU
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B) that he is talented enough to win 8 games next year.
In the regular season.
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The line is 7.5 regualr season game.
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 3:04 pm to threedog79
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Preach and all but, if we don't make it past this year, we may have to retool a whole other system under a new coaching staff.
Most of the guys we'd likely be interested in utilize dual threat QBs such as Todd Herman
Posted on 5/20/16 at 3:11 pm to TheJones
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Not sure why that's news to you.
Not news to me, but your comment made it seem like you didn't grasp the concept if you were talking about JF3 at all with the recruiting only DTQBs talk.
This post was edited on 5/20/16 at 3:12 pm
Posted on 5/20/16 at 3:13 pm to WareagleKK
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Not news to me, but your comment made it seem like you didn't grasp the concept.
No need to apologize. Just read a little more carefully next time
Posted on 5/20/16 at 3:16 pm to WareagleKK
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talking about JF3 at all with the recruiting only DTQBs talk.
Seems clear to me that the coaches brought in JF3 in an attempt to catch lightning in a bottle - low risk signing.
Just thinking more about the actual future. Guys like Woody, Gatewood, Narcisse (not coming to AU), Mond, and all the other notable dual threat guys that we're focusing on since bringing in our current crop
Posted on 5/20/16 at 3:24 pm to TheJones
totally agree on the future talk.
Really almost every program would PREFER a DTQB these days, it seems, as long as the DTQB can actually throw. Unfortunately we can't seem to find those.
I really do think that Woody, Mond, and Gatewood would be an unreal 3 year haul of QBs should that miraculously occur. I'd be willing to ride with Malzahn for a while to see those QBs battle it out. You'd have to think at least ONE of them would be special.
Really almost every program would PREFER a DTQB these days, it seems, as long as the DTQB can actually throw. Unfortunately we can't seem to find those.
I really do think that Woody, Mond, and Gatewood would be an unreal 3 year haul of QBs should that miraculously occur. I'd be willing to ride with Malzahn for a while to see those QBs battle it out. You'd have to think at least ONE of them would be special.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 3:33 pm to WareagleKK
Agree & hopefully coaches will see the importance of battling hard for the top guys each year
Posted on 5/20/16 at 3:36 pm to WareagleKK
The question is: are we "going to be able to ride it out"? I think the fanbase is getting restless with the crap show from last year and no fix to be seen this year. I'm not saying anything that is not obvious, but that would be two years of suck.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 4:13 pm to threedog79
Welcome to the reality club, you're late but we welcome you with open arms.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 5:01 pm to TheJones
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there's a reason why the past 2 classes we've only heavily recruited dual threat guys
Well yeah because we've seen Gus can run an offense with a guy that can run and pass. Unfortunately we don't have a QB that can do that. That has nothing to do with the argument.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 5:03 pm to GenesChin
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Ya, over time he developed as a solid college QB. He wasn't an unbelievable passer when he walked on campus. The argument everyone is making is that Gus can develop Sean White, if he can do that he can at least get JF3 to average passer which combined with running threat is best bet for AU
air tight logic there...This post was edited on 5/20/16 at 5:04 pm
Posted on 5/20/16 at 5:13 pm to Weagle25
Posted on 5/20/16 at 5:58 pm to threedog79
I thought we all realized Gus's offense wasn't worth a shite without a running QB a long time ago?
Posted on 5/20/16 at 6:31 pm to Weagle25
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Unfortunately we don't have a QB that can do that. That has nothing to do with the argument.
This whole thread is about dual threat QBs being best in our offense. Are you high?
All I've pointed out is the emphasis that Gus is making on true Dual threat guys. Gatewood, Woody, Mond, and other recent recruits are accomplished passers as well
You guys are so focused on this SW vs JF3 bet that we can't have a normal conversation here anymore
This post was edited on 5/20/16 at 6:33 pm
Posted on 5/20/16 at 6:58 pm to TheJones
The question is can a pocket passer thrive in Gus' system. You seem to be using the guys we're recruiting for the future as evidence that even Gus doesnt think he can use pocket passers in his offense when that's not the case.
If you want to have a seperate discussion about guys we should be targeting for the future then fine but that's not what I think you were doing.
Also, I'm not even involved in the bet so that has nothing to do with my stances or my discussion.
If you want to have a seperate discussion about guys we should be targeting for the future then fine but that's not what I think you were doing.
Also, I'm not even involved in the bet so that has nothing to do with my stances or my discussion.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 7:51 pm to TheJones
quote:Exactly.
All I've pointed out is the emphasis that Gus is making on true Dual threat guys. Gatewood, Woody, Mond, and other recent recruits are accomplished passers as well
I think Gus Malzahn pretty much had to take Jeremy Johnson when he did because he was Mr. Alabama, the top rated quarterback in Alabama (and highly rated period) and because he had just gotten hired and couldn't really recruit other guys fairly. The next year, Auburn missed on Brandon Harris and took Sean White as a backup plan. Tyler Queen was next, but let's be real, the guy probably won't ever see the field because he's always injured and I never really viewed him as an incredibly talented guy to begin with.
I think it's obvious a dual threat guy will be more successful in this offense than a standard, pure pocket passer. You can argue which ones were/weren't SEC caliber, but between Chris Todd, Barrett Trotter, Clint Moseley, Jeremy Johnson and Sean White...all have more than struggled in this offense. All were pocket passers. Cam Newton and Nick Marshall - yes, they were talented, but both thrived. Kiehl Frazier is the only one that didn't and we all know he wouldn't make it happen anywhere.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 8:14 pm to TTsTowel
You can't discount Frazier in the same breathe you weren't willing to discount Moseley, Johnson, Trotter, & Todd.
Frazier's expectations were much higher than any of the four coming in. Frazier was rated a 97 with four stars. He supposedly fit the system perfectly and grew up in the system. You're comparing that to two guys who were only rated because they had an offer from us, a JUCO QB with dead arm, and a 93 rated four star.
Frazier's expectations were much higher than any of the four coming in. Frazier was rated a 97 with four stars. He supposedly fit the system perfectly and grew up in the system. You're comparing that to two guys who were only rated because they had an offer from us, a JUCO QB with dead arm, and a 93 rated four star.
Posted on 5/20/16 at 8:33 pm to GenesChin
quote:Sean White is the first freshman QB to ever throw over 250 yards in three consecutive games. Like, ever. We need to let Sean be our QB for the next three years. He will become a fricking awesome Qb for us if we give him the chance. Aaron Murray was shite his freshman year, UGA had a losing record. Look what he turned into.
Remind me how many games we won with a "good" pocket passer again
Posted on 5/20/16 at 8:36 pm to Weagle25
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air tight logic there
Just as air tight as your logic for championing the Gus QB who is a consistent loser and has the lowest scoring average of a Gus QB?
Not one of Ole Miss, Arkansas or Miss St had a top 50 defense yet we scored 24 or less against all 3.
Even Jeremy Johnson led offenses score more on average.
This post was edited on 5/20/16 at 8:38 pm
Posted on 5/20/16 at 8:45 pm to Weagle25
quote:Yes I can, I am an American.
You can't discount Frazier in the same breathe you weren't willing to discount Moseley, Johnson, Trotter, & Todd.
But seriously, Barrett Trotter, Clint Moseley, Chris Todd, Sean White and Jeremy Johnson all saw way, way more time than Kiehl Frazier. Kiehl Frazier was nothing more than a gadget in 2011 and changed positions in 2013. The other players all started multiple games in Gus Malzahn's offense.
Chris Todd was, by far, the most successful, and he was mainly successful against bad competition and not SEC competition.
quote:He did, but he also played against shite competition. Some players, like Mike Dyer, can play awful competition their entire life and still play at a high level during college. Kiehl Frazier wasn't mentally or physically able to do so. I'm willing to bet his recruiting ranking was inflated due to the competition he faced. Kiehl Frazier would've been a bust anywhere, IMO.
Frazier's expectations were much higher than any of the four coming in. Frazier was rated a 97 with four stars. He supposedly fit the system perfectly and grew up in the system.
There's also a reason Bobby Petrino didn't recruit him...
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