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re: Can someone please provide a recruiting update
Posted on 1/16/17 at 12:22 pm to jangalang
Posted on 1/16/17 at 12:22 pm to jangalang
Tre was better so far, but Cam has been very good.
I have a feeling Cam is going to have a Rudy Johnson type year in 2017 then go to the NFL.
The thing that made Tre so good was when there was nothing there he somehow managed 4 yards giving Auburn 2nd and 6 and 3rd and 2.
And converting 3rd and 2 was almost automatic for Tre and Nick.
Defenses had a tough time getting Auburn off the field.
I have a feeling Cam is going to have a Rudy Johnson type year in 2017 then go to the NFL.
The thing that made Tre so good was when there was nothing there he somehow managed 4 yards giving Auburn 2nd and 6 and 3rd and 2.
And converting 3rd and 2 was almost automatic for Tre and Nick.
Defenses had a tough time getting Auburn off the field.
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Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:29 pm to jangalang
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You don't remember the defenses being able to key on Tre or being overworked like a rented mule either.
Sure I do. He did the same thing in 2012 when we were horrible.
Tre's balance was incredible and his push North and South was elite.
Pettway is very good and I am excited for his return, but I wouldn't put him ahead of Tre just yet. He didn't get injured and had way more carries. I hope Pettway gets a statue.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:33 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Back to recruiting. My bet still is that we are going to be thin at RB again. We will have plenty of small backs but very few every down backs.
Call it a hunch....
Call it a hunch....
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:33 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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Sure I do. He did the same thing in 2012 when we were horrible.
And bama allowed him the chance to get 1000 rushing yards. I'm sure you're not saying that season was greater than Pettway's last season....
Posted on 1/16/17 at 1:46 pm to LanierSpots
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Back to recruiting. My bet still is that we are going to be thin at RB again. We will have plenty of small backs but very few every down backs.
You're probably right. I don't think of KJ as an every down back or a returner or a receiver. He should've played DB.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 2:02 pm to jangalang
I would say it was on par wouldn't you?
Both had a 5.9 YPC average and Tre had 1 TD better
I would say Tre earned a spot as a very good back for Auburn. Is Pettway better? He hasn't proved it to me yet. Let's see what he does in 2016. He has the potential to be better and has another year to prove it to me.
His measurables are better but Tre showed quite a bit of durability. Pettway looks to get tired at points in the game. Tre only grew stronger and was smaller.
Don't get too caught up in my opinion. Like I said I hope we put up a statue of Pettway. I like him a lot.
Both had a 5.9 YPC average and Tre had 1 TD better
I would say Tre earned a spot as a very good back for Auburn. Is Pettway better? He hasn't proved it to me yet. Let's see what he does in 2016. He has the potential to be better and has another year to prove it to me.
His measurables are better but Tre showed quite a bit of durability. Pettway looks to get tired at points in the game. Tre only grew stronger and was smaller.
Don't get too caught up in my opinion. Like I said I hope we put up a statue of Pettway. I like him a lot.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 2:09 pm to jangalang
Miller is an every down back right?
Also KJ did a pretty solid job running up the gut. I don't think the ankle sprain is a size issue as much as shite happens. Look at LF7 and his injuries.
Also KJ did a pretty solid job running up the gut. I don't think the ankle sprain is a size issue as much as shite happens. Look at LF7 and his injuries.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 2:22 pm to JRoweMDN
I never felt like KJ was that good up the middle. He was decent but we need better than that. Miller has the size but has already been out due to injuries. Which is part of the reason we should continue to look.
I just don't feel comfortable with that depth.
I just don't feel comfortable with that depth.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 2:27 pm to JRoweMDN
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Also KJ did a pretty solid job running up the gut. I don't think the ankle sprain is a size issue as much as shite happens. Look at LF7 and his injuries.
He sucks running up the middle. And Horton was complaining last offseason that KJ was hurt and couldn't gain strength in the offseason and Nothing has changed since.
As far as Malik, he may be an every down back. Haven't seen him run so I can't make that determination.
This post was edited on 1/16/17 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 1/16/17 at 2:28 pm to LanierSpots
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Back to recruiting. My bet still is that we are going to be thin at RB again. We will have plenty of small backs but very few every down backs.
Call it a hunch....
I still don't get this worry. Our supposed big backs got hurt just like our supposed small backs. It wasn't like Kam Pettway & Malik Miller's size helped them stand up to the beating any better than Kerryon Johnson. Where we stand now we will have these options at RB next season
Kamryn Pettway | JR | 6'0" | 240 lbs
Kerryon Johnson | JR | 6'0" | 211 lbs
Octavius Matthews | JR | 6'2" | 200 lbs
Kam Martin | SO | 5'10" | 177 lbs
Malik Miller | SO | 5'1"" | 229 lbs
Stephen Davis Jr | rFR | 6'3" | 206 lbs -- not sure if he still with team or not
Devan Barrett | FR | 6'1" | 190 lbs
Alaric Williams | FR | 6'0 | 195 lbs
That's 7-8 guys that can play RB with only one I would call small in Kam Martin. I don't think RB depth will be a problem in 2017. We got hit with some freak injury bad luck last season losing Pettway, Johnson, Miller, Truitt & Davis Jr all to injuries for varying times. I doubt that we see that much carnage next season but even if we did we now have at least 3 more bodies there this year than last
Posted on 1/16/17 at 2:28 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
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I would say it was on par wouldn't you?
On par to a RB that didn't run a quarter of the season.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 2:32 pm to TigerPaw1
Thanks for proving we have shitty depth at RB.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 3:19 pm to TigerPaw1
I guess I am looking at it a little different than you are.
Kamryn Pettway | JR | 6'0" | 240 lbs - Can be the guy. No doubt
Kerryon Johnson | JR | 6'0" | 211 lbs - Don't think he can hold up being the guy
Octavius Matthews | JR | 6'2" | 200 lbs - Do we even get him?
Kam Martin | SO | 5'10" | 177 lbs - No. 177 pounds.
Malik Miller | SO | 5'1"" | 229 lbs - Looked slow to me but could be the guy if healthy
Stephen Davis Jr | rFR | 6'3" | 206 lbs -- not sure if he still with team or not - N/A
Devan Barrett | FR | 6'1" | 190 lbs 190 pounds
Alaric Williams | FR | 6'0 | 195 lbs - 195 pounds
This was a concern this year when Pettway went down. Look at the Bama and UGA games. No running game with KJ and yes I know he was banged up. The point of all of this.
I just feel we need better depth. Bigger depth. More durable depth to run 30 times a game
Kamryn Pettway | JR | 6'0" | 240 lbs - Can be the guy. No doubt
Kerryon Johnson | JR | 6'0" | 211 lbs - Don't think he can hold up being the guy
Octavius Matthews | JR | 6'2" | 200 lbs - Do we even get him?
Kam Martin | SO | 5'10" | 177 lbs - No. 177 pounds.
Malik Miller | SO | 5'1"" | 229 lbs - Looked slow to me but could be the guy if healthy
Stephen Davis Jr | rFR | 6'3" | 206 lbs -- not sure if he still with team or not - N/A
Devan Barrett | FR | 6'1" | 190 lbs 190 pounds
Alaric Williams | FR | 6'0 | 195 lbs - 195 pounds
This was a concern this year when Pettway went down. Look at the Bama and UGA games. No running game with KJ and yes I know he was banged up. The point of all of this.
I just feel we need better depth. Bigger depth. More durable depth to run 30 times a game
Posted on 1/16/17 at 3:24 pm to LanierSpots
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More durable depth to run 30 times a game
I guess my point is our "big backs" got hurt too so I don't necessarily agree with size = durability. Part of what set off the whole argument above was a guy like Tre Mason found great success in this offense despite not being a "big back" same for Mike Dyer who was in the 210 lb range at AU. I love watching guys like Pettway and Tate plow over defenders but I don't think it's a necessity to be successful in this offense. I think vision is more important than size
Hopefully all this is moot and Pettway stays healthy and rushes for 2000 yards next season
Posted on 1/16/17 at 3:39 pm to LanierSpots
I agree having another big back come in and RS would be nice behind KP, KJ, MM. I don't think those 3 combined with the smaller backs leaves us thin until 18.
I agree UGA and Bama without KP were a struggle especially with a not 100% KJ, but that was also due to the completely fricked passing game too.
We talk about durability and it just astounds me how much the injury bug has bitten us and affected us. It happened with quite a few teams this year. Only Bama is really deep enough to ward off the kind of injuries that have truly hurt us and other teams.
I agree UGA and Bama without KP were a struggle especially with a not 100% KJ, but that was also due to the completely fricked passing game too.
We talk about durability and it just astounds me how much the injury bug has bitten us and affected us. It happened with quite a few teams this year. Only Bama is really deep enough to ward off the kind of injuries that have truly hurt us and other teams.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 3:39 pm to TigerPaw1
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I guess my point is our "big backs" got hurt too so I don't necessarily agree with size = durability.
Solid point
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Mike Dyer who was in the 210 lb range at AU.
I think we can all agree that Dyer benefited from Cam running so much and did not have as many tough runs. Plus he did get hurt a few times during the season. We also used the 1,2 punch more with him and Ontario that we dont seem to be going to as much these days.
I hope its not a problem but I hate for us to rely on guys to bang it out who are not the size or type backs to do so...
Posted on 1/16/17 at 3:43 pm to TigerPaw1
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size = durability.
Basically size gives the ability to run inside...effectively. Big backs get hurt all the time though..They're still human after all. Still can withstand more punishment than the Kam Martins though.
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Tre Mason found great success in this offense
Pettway and Tre basically played in different offenses realigned starting at the QB spot.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 3:46 pm to LanierSpots
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I think we can all agree that Dyer benefited from Cam running so much and did not have as many tough runs. Plus he did get hurt a few times during the season. We also used the 1,2 punch more with him and Ontario that we dont seem to be going to as much these days.
You make a good point here and I think this is the big issue. We can't be a one guy offense again this year. It's hard to hold up to that pounding and if something goes wrong we are done. We need to get back to being an offense that can attack you in multiple ways so that we aren't getting one guy beat up. In 2010, like you said, we had Cam, OMac & Dyer all in the run game. In 2013 we had Nick & Tre. Last year it was basically Pettway. Need some sort of compliment to him next season
Posted on 1/16/17 at 3:52 pm to jangalang
Yes, one did his on a team that quit so I would say picking up a grand and 8 TDs pretty much in your own is noteworthy and on par.
Posted on 1/16/17 at 3:53 pm to TigerPaw1
It did seem to me that even with KP and KJ healthy and nothing else to do but run that they did not share time more.
I get the big backs are more durable argument, but they all get hurt and once again we are back to a competent QB and coaching to the players strengths.
I get the big backs are more durable argument, but they all get hurt and once again we are back to a competent QB and coaching to the players strengths.
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